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From: Waxhead <waxhead@online.no>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Is stability a joke?
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:55:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57D51BF9.2010907@online.no> (raw)

I have been following BTRFS for years and have recently been starting to 
use BTRFS more and more and as always BTRFS' stability is a hot topic.
Some says that BTRFS is a dead end research project while others claim 
the opposite.

Taking a quick glance at the wiki does not say much about what is safe 
to use or not and it also points to some who are using BTRFS in production.
While BTRFS can apparently work well in production it does have some 
caveats, and finding out what features is safe or not can be problematic 
and I especially think that new users of BTRFS can easily be bitten if 
they do not do a lot of research on it first.

The Debian wiki for BTRFS (which is recent by the way) contains a bunch 
of warnings and recommendations and is for me a bit better than the 
official BTRFS wiki when it comes to how to decide what features to use.

The Nouveau graphics driver have a nice feature matrix on it's webpage 
and I think that BTRFS perhaps should consider doing something like that 
on it's official wiki as well

For example something along the lines of .... (the statuses are taken 
our of thin air just for demonstration purposes)

Kernel version 4.7
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| Feature / Redundancy level | Single | Dup | Raid0 | Raid1 | Raid10 | 
Raid5 | Raid 6 |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| Subvolumes                 | Ok     | Ok  | Ok    | Ok    | Ok   | Bad 
   | Bad    |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| Snapshots                  | Ok     | Ok  | Ok    | Ok    | Ok     | 
Bad   | Bad    |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| LZO Compression            | Bad(1) | Bad | Bad   | Bad(2)| Bad    | 
Bad   | Bad    |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| ZLIB Compression           | Ok     | Ok  | Ok    | Ok    | Ok     | 
Bad   | Bad    |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+
| Autodefrag                 | Ok     | Bad | Bad(3)| Ok    | Ok     | 
Bad   | Bad    |
+----------------------------+--------+-----+-------+-------+--------+-------+--------+

(1) Some explanation here...
(2) Some explanation there....
(3) And some explanation elsewhere...

...etc...etc...

I therefore would like to propose that some sort of feature / stability 
matrix for the latest kernel is added to the wiki preferably somewhere 
where it is easy to find. It would be nice to archive old matrix'es as 
well in case someone runs on a bit older kernel (we who use Debian tend 
to like older kernels). In my opinion it would make things bit easier 
and perhaps a bit less scary too. Remember if you get bitten badly once 
you tend to stay away from from it all just in case, if you on the other 
hand know what bites you can safely pet the fluffy end instead :)

             reply	other threads:[~2016-09-11  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-11  8:55 Waxhead [this message]
2016-09-11  9:56 ` Is stability a joke? Steven Haigh
2016-09-11 10:23 ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 11:21   ` Zoiled
2016-09-11 11:43     ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 12:05       ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 12:39         ` Waxhead
2016-09-11 13:02           ` Hugo Mills
2016-09-11 14:59             ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 20:14             ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-12 12:20             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 12:59               ` Michel Bouissou
2016-09-12 13:14                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 14:04                 ` Lionel Bouton
2016-09-15  1:05               ` Nicholas D Steeves
2016-09-15  8:02                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-16  7:13                 ` Helmut Eller
2016-09-15  5:55               ` Kai Krakow
2016-09-15  8:05                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 14:54           ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 15:19             ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-11 20:21             ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-11 17:46           ` Marc MERLIN
2016-09-20 16:33             ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-11 17:11         ` Duncan
2016-09-12 12:26           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-11 12:30       ` Waxhead
2016-09-11 14:36         ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-12 12:48   ` Swâmi Petaramesh
2016-09-12 13:53 ` Chris Mason
2016-09-12 17:36   ` Zoiled
2016-09-12 17:44     ` Waxhead
2016-09-15  1:12     ` Nicholas D Steeves
2016-09-12 14:27 ` David Sterba
2016-09-12 14:54   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 16:51     ` David Sterba
2016-09-12 17:31       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-15  1:07         ` Nicholas D Steeves
2016-09-15  1:13           ` Steven Haigh
2016-09-15  2:14             ` stability matrix (was: Is stability a joke?) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-15  9:49               ` stability matrix Hans van Kranenburg
2016-09-15 11:54                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-15 14:15                   ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-15 14:56                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-19 14:38                   ` David Sterba
2016-09-19 15:27               ` stability matrix (was: Is stability a joke?) David Sterba
2016-09-19 17:18                 ` stability matrix Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19 19:52                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-19 20:07                     ` Chris Mason
2016-09-19 20:36                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-19 21:03                         ` Chris Mason
2016-09-19 19:45                 ` stability matrix (was: Is stability a joke?) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-20  7:59                   ` Duncan
2016-09-20  8:19                     ` Hugo Mills
2016-09-20  8:34                   ` David Sterba
2016-09-19 15:38         ` Is stability a joke? David Sterba
2016-09-19 21:25           ` Hans van Kranenburg
2016-09-12 16:27   ` Is stability a joke? (wiki updated) David Sterba
2016-09-12 16:56     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 17:29       ` Filipe Manana
2016-09-12 17:42         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 20:08       ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-13 11:35         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-15 18:01           ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-15 18:20             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-15 19:02               ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-15 20:16                 ` Hugo Mills
2016-09-15 20:26                   ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-16 12:00                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19  2:57                       ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-09-19 12:37                         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19  4:08                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-09-19 15:27                   ` Sean Greenslade
2016-09-19 17:38                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19 18:27                     ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-19 18:34                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19 20:15                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-09-20 12:09                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-15 21:23               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-16 12:13                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19  3:47       ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-09-19 12:32         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-19 15:33           ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-09-12 19:57     ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-12 20:21       ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2016-09-12 20:35         ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-12 20:44           ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-13 11:28             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-13 11:39               ` Martin Steigerwald
2016-09-14  5:53             ` Marc Haber
2016-09-12 20:48         ` Waxhead
2016-09-13  8:38           ` Timofey Titovets
2016-09-13 11:26             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn

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