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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30/06/2025 2.41 pm, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 11:07:06AM +0100, Mark Harmstone wrote: >> On 28/06/2025 6.33 pm, Ulli Horlacher wrote: >>> restic (https://restic.net/) is a great backup tool but has some >>> limitations or design flaws: one is, it believes that any subvolume is on a >>> different filesystem. This means: "restic backup --one-file-system /" will >>> only backup the root subvolume, but no other subvolumes like /home >>> /var/spool etc... >>> >>> One has to add every subvolume to the argument list. Bad if you >>> create new subvolumes and forget to update the backup cronjob. >>> When you later need to restore a file, there will be none... >> >> This is a bug in Restic that needs to be fixed, though they may not see >> it that way. > > .. because it isn't. btrfs is the buggy one here breaking the old > Unix tradition also (somewhat vaguely) encoded in Posix that st_dev must > not changed except at a mount point. I know. But if POSIX assumes that every inode has a unique combination of st_dev and st_ino, and that both are 64 bits, that's incompatible with the design of btrfs.