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From: Patrik Lundquist <patrik.lundquist@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>
Cc: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>,
	Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: scrub implies failing drive - smartctl blissfully unaware
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:02:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA7pwKNOxZ=pg_uJ2iO67xo-=aWqNikbQKJPT5QOxEi2av1sRA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5474F5D1.2070908@ubuntu.com>

On 25 November 2014 at 22:34, Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 11/19/2014 7:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > I'm not a hard drive engineer, so I can't argue either point. But
> > consumer drives clearly do behave this way. On Linux, the kernel's
> > default 30 second command timer eventually results in what look
> > like link errors rather than drive read errors. And instead of the
> > problems being fixed with the normal md and btrfs recovery
> > mechanisms, the errors simply get worse and eventually there's data
> > loss. Exhibits A, B, C, D - the linux-raid list is full to the brim
> > of such reports and their solution.
>
> I have seen plenty of error logs of people with drives that do
> properly give up and return an error instead of timing out so I get
> the feeling that most drives are properly behaved.  Is there a
> particular make/model of drive that is known to exhibit this silly
> behavior?

I had a couple of Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 (codename Moose) drives
with seriously retarded firmware.

They never reported a read error AFAIK but began to time out instead.
They wouldn't even respond after a link reset. I had to power cycle
the disks.

Funny days with ddrescue. Got almost everything off them.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-28 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1XqYMg-0000YI-8y@watricky.valid.co.za>
2014-11-18  7:29 ` scrub implies failing drive - smartctl blissfully unaware Brendan Hide
2014-11-18  7:36   ` Roman Mamedov
2014-11-18 13:24     ` Brendan Hide
2014-11-18 15:16       ` Duncan
2014-11-18 12:08   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2014-11-18 13:25     ` Brendan Hide
2014-11-18 16:02     ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-18 15:35   ` Marc MERLIN
2014-11-18 16:04     ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-18 16:11       ` Marc MERLIN
2014-11-18 16:26         ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-18 18:57     ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-18 20:58       ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-19  2:40         ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-19 15:11           ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-20  0:05             ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-25 21:34               ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-25 23:13                 ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-26  1:53                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-12-01 19:10                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-28 15:02                 ` Patrik Lundquist [this message]
2014-11-19  2:46         ` Duncan
2014-11-19 16:07           ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-19 21:05             ` Robert White
2014-11-19 21:47               ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-19 22:25                 ` Robert White
2014-11-20 20:26                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-20 22:45                     ` Robert White
2014-11-21 15:11                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-21 21:12                         ` Robert White
2014-11-21 21:41                           ` Robert White
2014-11-22 22:06                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-19 22:33                 ` Robert White
2014-11-20 20:34                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-20 23:08                     ` Robert White
2014-11-21 15:27                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-20  0:25               ` Duncan
2014-11-20  2:08                 ` Robert White
2014-11-19 23:59             ` Duncan
2014-11-25 22:14               ` Phillip Susi
2014-11-28 15:55                 ` Patrik Lundquist
2014-11-21  4:58   ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-11-21  7:05     ` Brendan Hide
2014-11-21 12:55       ` Ian Armstrong
2014-11-21 17:45         ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-22  7:18           ` Ian Armstrong
2014-11-21 17:42       ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-11-21 18:06         ` Chris Murphy
2014-11-22  2:25           ` Zygo Blaxell

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