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From: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>
To: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
Cc: Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Recommendations for balancing as part of regular maintenance?
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:09:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJCQCtS4ZKYbZGbpuOcCCuNdcZjNNUf=gkBu6Ky_DdJ-zVB+HQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c4908bdb-cd9c-929d-e681-16311b6adbc5@gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Austin S. Hemmelgarn
<ahferroin7@gmail.com> wrote:


> To that end, I propose the following text for the FAQ:
>
> Q: Do I need to run a balance regularly?
>
> A: While not strictly necessary for normal operations, running a filtered
> balance regularly can help prevent your filesystem from ending up with
> ENOSPC issues.  The following command run daily on each BTRFS volume should
> be more than sufficient for most users:
>
> `btrfs balance start -dusage=25 -dlimit=2..10 -musage=25 -mlimit=2..10`


Daily? Seems excessive.

I've got multiple Btrfs file systems that I haven't balanced, full or
partial, in a year. And I have no problems. One is a laptop which
accumulates snapshots until roughly 25% free space remains and then
most of the snapshots are deleted, except the most recent few, all at
one time. I'm not experiencing any problems so far. The other is a NAS
and it's multiple copies, with maybe 100-200 snapshots. One backup
volume is 99% full, there's no more unallocated free space, I delete
snapshots only to make room for btrfs send receive to keep pushing the
most recent snapshot from the main volume to the backup. Again no
problems.

I really think suggestions this broad are just going to paper over
bugs or design flaws, we won't see as many bug reports and then real
problems won't get fixed.

I also thing the time based method is too subjective. What about the
layout means a balance is needed? And if it's really a suggestion, why
isn't there a chron or systemd unit that just does this for the user,
in btrfs-progs, working and enabled by default? I really do not like
all this hand holding of Btrfs, it's not going to make it better.


> A full, unfiltered balance (one without any options passed in) is completely
> unnecessary for normal usage of a filesystem.

That's good advice.



-- 
Chris Murphy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-13 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-08 15:55 Recommendations for balancing as part of regular maintenance? Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-08 16:20 ` ein
2018-01-08 16:34   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-08 18:17     ` Graham Cobb
2018-01-08 18:34       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-08 20:29         ` Martin Raiber
2018-01-09  8:33           ` Marat Khalili
2018-01-09 12:46             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-10  3:49               ` Duncan
2018-01-10 16:30                 ` Tom Worster
2018-01-10 17:01                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-10 18:33                     ` Tom Worster
2018-01-10 20:44                       ` Timofey Titovets
2018-01-11 13:00                         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-11  8:51                     ` Duncan
2018-01-10  4:38       ` Duncan
2018-01-10 12:41         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-11 20:12         ` Hans van Kranenburg
2018-01-10 21:37 ` waxhead
2018-01-11 12:50   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-11 19:56   ` Hans van Kranenburg
2018-01-12 18:24 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-12 19:26   ` Tom Worster
2018-01-12 19:43     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-13 22:09   ` Chris Murphy [this message]
2018-01-15 13:43     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-15 18:23     ` Tom Worster
2018-01-16  6:45       ` Chris Murphy
2018-01-16 11:02         ` Andrei Borzenkov
2018-01-16 12:57         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-01-08 21:43 Tom Worster
2018-01-08 22:18 ` Hugo Mills
2018-01-09 12:23 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-01-09 14:16   ` Tom Worster

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