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From: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, puranjay@kernel.org,
	 linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Michael van der Westhuizen <rmikey@meta.com>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] workqueue: Introduce a sharded cache affinity scope
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 09:26:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acFmcCcbPfznH_it@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f2f7fff3-2f6a-4ebb-aa5e-33188be4dd9a@kernel.org>

Hello Chuck,

On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:28:49AM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On 3/23/26 11:10 AM, Breno Leitao wrote:
> >
> > I am not convinced. The wq_cache_shard_size approach creates multiple
> > pools on large systems while leaving small systems (<8 cores) unchanged.
>
> This is exactly my concern. Smaller systems /do/ experience measurable
> contention in this area. I don't object to your series at all, it's
> clean and well-motivated; but the cores-per-shard approach doesn't scale
> down to very commonly deployed machine sizes.

I don't see why the cores-per-shard approach wouldn't scale down
effectively.

The sharding mechanism itself is independent of whether we use
cores-per-shard or shards-per-LLC as the allocation strategy, correct?

Regardless of the approach, we retain full control over the granularity
of the shards.

> We might also argue that the NFS client and other subsystems that make
> significant use of UNBOUND workqueues in their I/O paths might be well
> advised to modify their approach. (net/sunrpc/sched.c, hint hint)
>
>
> > This eliminates the pathological lock contention we're observing on
> > high-core-count machines without impacting smaller deployments.
>
> > In contrast, splitting pools per LLC would force fragmentation even on
> > systems that aren't experiencing contention, increasing the need for
> > manual tuning across a wider range of configurations.
>
> I claim that smaller deployments also need help. Further, I don't see
> how UNBOUND pool fragmentation is a problem on such systems that needs
> to be addressed (IMHO).

Are you suggesting we should reduce the default value to something like
wq_cache_shard_size=2 instead of wq_cache_shard_size=8?

Thanks for the feedback,
--breno

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20 17:56 [PATCH v2 0/5] workqueue: Introduce a sharded cache affinity scope Breno Leitao
2026-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] workqueue: fix typo in WQ_AFFN_SMT comment Breno Leitao
2026-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] workqueue: add WQ_AFFN_CACHE_SHARD affinity scope Breno Leitao
2026-03-23 22:43   ` Tejun Heo
2026-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] workqueue: set WQ_AFFN_CACHE_SHARD as the default " Breno Leitao
2026-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] tools/workqueue: add CACHE_SHARD support to wq_dump.py Breno Leitao
2026-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] workqueue: add test_workqueue benchmark module Breno Leitao
2026-03-23 14:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] workqueue: Introduce a sharded cache affinity scope Chuck Lever
2026-03-23 15:10   ` Breno Leitao
2026-03-23 15:28     ` Chuck Lever
2026-03-23 16:26       ` Breno Leitao [this message]
2026-03-23 18:04         ` Chuck Lever
2026-03-23 18:19           ` Tejun Heo

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