From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Security implications of btrfs receive?
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:33:28 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan$7ef49$a651be36$e2e9c638$c9b8a81e@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: c04c596d-4cb9-ed98-513a-c550b1be18b2@cobb.uk.net
Graham Cobb posted on Mon, 05 Sep 2016 10:59:30 +0100 as excerpted:
> Lastly, even if receive is designed to be very secure, it is possible
> that it could trigger/use code paths in the btrfs kernel code which are
> not normally used during normal file operations and so could trigger
> bugs not normally seen. Has any work been done on testing for that (for
> example tests using malicious streams, including ones which btrfs-send
> cannot generate)?
As a btrfs user and list regular (not a dev) I'll only answer this part,
as it's the part I know an answer to. =:^)
Btrfs in general is not fuzz- or malicious-content resistant, yet. In
general, btrfs is considered stabilizing, but not yet fully stable, and
fuzzer-related bug reports, as others, are taken and worked on, but the
emphasis has been primarily on getting things working and bugs fixed in
general, not yet on security hardening of any sort, so no claims as to
btrfs hardening or resistance to malicious content can be made at this
point, except that it's known to be pretty soft in that regard ATM.
As I said, fuzz-generated bugs are accepted and fixed, but I don't know
that the intent is to ever "harden" btrfs in that regard, more to simply
make it resilient to corruptions in general.
There has been, for instance, some discussion of attacks by simply
leaving maliciously engineered btrfs thumb drives around to be inserted
and automounted, but the attitude seems to be once they have physical
access to plug them in, hardening is an exercise in futility, so the
object isn't to prevent that attack vector, but rather, to make btrfs
more resilient to normal (as opposed to deliberate) corruption that may
occur, including that which is easiest to /find/ by fuzzing, but which
may "just happen" in the real world, as well.
Of course that's not in the specific scope of receive, but I'd put it in
the same boat. IOW, treat potential send clients much as you would
people with accounts on the machine. If you wouldn't trust them with a
basic shell account, don't trust their send-streams either.
Meanwhile, the stabilizing but not fully stable and mature status also
means backups are even more strongly recommended than they would be with
a fully stable filesystem. Which means, to the extent that backups can
mitigate the issue, they'd certainly be prudent and may to that extent
solve the practical issue. However, as always, if it's not backed up and
you lose it, you've simply lost the low-value data that wasn't of enough
value to you to be worth the hassle of backup, defined by your actions as
such, regardless of any words claiming the contrary. To the extent that
you can trust your people as much as your backups, great, but not having
those backups really /is/ defining that data as not worth the hassle,
regardless of whether it's lost to malicious attack or to hardware/
software/wetware bug.
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-05 14:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-05 9:59 Security implications of btrfs receive? Graham Cobb
2016-09-05 14:33 ` Duncan [this message]
2016-09-06 12:15 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-06 17:20 ` Graham Cobb
2016-09-07 11:58 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 14:44 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-07 14:55 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 15:20 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 16:10 ` Graham Cobb
2016-09-07 17:33 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-09 16:18 ` David Sterba
2016-09-09 16:58 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 14:41 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-07 15:06 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 16:27 ` Graham Cobb
2016-09-07 18:07 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2016-09-07 19:08 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 19:34 ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-08 11:48 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-09 18:58 ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-10 19:27 ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-12 11:24 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-12 20:25 ` Chris Murphy
2016-09-13 11:46 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-09 16:33 ` David Sterba
2016-09-09 17:21 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-09-07 20:29 ` Zygo Blaxell
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