From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Btrfs scrub failure for raid 6 kernel 4.3
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 02:16:18 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan$ce4e4$679c0a1$8ea944a8$22d67149@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1451266276.6320.31.camel@scientia.net
Christoph Anton Mitterer posted on Mon, 28 Dec 2015 02:31:16 +0100 as
excerpted:
> On Sun, 2015-12-27 at 18:23 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> I'd want scrub to immediately fail in a degraded case, because the
>> higher workload added by the scrub itself could cause additional device
>> failures sooner. And that would negatively impact the ability to get
>> the array healthy again with a rebuild - during which time you wouldn't
>> want the scrub running anyway.
> I think that should be the default behaviour, yes.
>
> Probebly there should be a --force like override switch,... again take
> my example of classic RAID1 with say 6 disks... (which is right now not
> possible in btrfs, I know).
> Now one fails... so it's degraded, but you still have 5 left and you're
> probably far away from complete loss. OTOH you still may want to scrub
> your data during during that time (e.g. to catch silent block errors),
> in that specific scenario.
Scrub needs to be able to run on a degraded array (possibly with a
--force switch, I've no real opinion on that), for a number of reasons:
1) As mentioned up-thread, btrfs scrub isn't like others; we have
checksums and being able to do a global checksum-verify via scrub, even
on a degraded array where repair may not be possible, is a legitimate use.
2) With raid6 degraded by loss of only a single device, repair should
still be possible (and checksums should counteract the partial-stripe-
write hole that parity normally risks, verify the "repair" and don't
write it if it still fails checksum).
3) With the coming N-way-mirroring, degraded repair from a good copy of
an N-way-mirrored block down to two-way should be possible, and indeed,
that'd be the biggest reason to run N-way-mirroring with N>2 in the first
place.
But regardless, agreed with everyone, simply crashing must be seen as a
bug. If it's not going to scrub correctly, it should exit normally but
with an error status and printout to STDERR, not crash.
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-28 2:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-27 13:59 Btrfs scrub failure for raid 6 kernel 4.3 Waxhead
2015-12-27 18:29 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-27 23:06 ` Waxhead
2015-12-28 1:48 ` Duncan
2015-12-28 2:04 ` Waxhead
2015-12-28 2:18 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-28 21:08 ` Waxhead
2015-12-28 21:23 ` Chris Murphy
[not found] ` <5681BDD0.1060407@online.no>
2015-12-29 0:29 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-29 20:19 ` Waxhead
2015-12-30 4:22 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-30 18:31 ` Waxhead
2015-12-30 19:08 ` Waxhead
2015-12-28 4:02 ` Duncan
2015-12-28 21:17 ` Waxhead
2015-12-28 21:50 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-28 0:39 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-28 0:58 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-28 1:09 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-28 1:23 ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-28 1:31 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-28 2:16 ` Duncan [this message]
2015-12-28 1:21 ` Duncan
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