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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BTRFS as image store for KVM?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 02:09:39 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan$e9b6$f764fa8a$deeffa51$be52ef68@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 201510031832.17802.russell@coker.com.au

Russell Coker posted on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 18:32:17 +1000 as excerpted:

> Last time I checked a BTRFS RAID-1 filesystem would assign each process
> to read from one disk based on it's PID.  Every RAID-1 implementation
> that has any sort of performance optimisation will allow a single
> process that's reading to use both disks to some extent.
> 
> When the BTRFS developers spend some serious effort optimising for
> performance it will be useful to compare BTRFS and ZFS.

This is the example I use as to why btrfs isn't really stable, as well.  
Devs tend to be very aware of the dangers of premature optimization, 
because done too early, it either means throwing that work away when a 
rewrite comes, or it severely limits options as to what can be rewritten, 
if necessary, in ordered to avoid throwing all that work that went into 
optimization away.

So at least for devs that have been around awhile, that don't have some 
boss that's paying the bills saying optimize now, an actually really good 
mark of when the /devs/ consider something stable, is when they start 
focusing on that optimization.

Since this rather obvious low hanging fruit bit of optimization hasn't 
yet been done, then, there's really no question, btrfs doesn't pass the 
optimized stability test yet, and thus is self-evidently not stable, in 
the opinion of the very devs working on it.  Were they to really consider 
it stable, this optimization would already be done.

So once we see this optimization done, /then/ we can debate whether btrfs 
is stable yet, or not.  Until then, settled question, it's obviously 
not.  It may indeed be some distance into the process of stabilization, 
"stabiliz_ing_", and I'd characterize it as exactly that, but not yet, 
"stable".

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman


  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-04  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-15 21:34 BTRFS as image store for KVM? Gert Menke
2015-09-16  3:00 ` Chris Murphy
2015-09-16  3:57 ` Duncan
2015-09-16 11:35   ` Brendan Heading
2015-09-16 12:25     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-16 12:41     ` Paul Jones
2015-09-17 17:56   ` Gert Menke
2015-09-17 18:35     ` Chris Murphy
2015-09-17 21:32       ` Gert Menke
2015-09-18  2:00       ` Duncan
2015-09-18  8:32         ` Gert Menke
2015-09-23  7:28         ` Russell Coker
2015-09-18 14:13       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-23  7:24         ` Russell Coker
2015-09-17 18:46     ` Mike Fleetwood
2015-09-17 19:43     ` Hugo Mills
2015-09-17 21:49       ` Gert Menke
2015-09-18  2:22       ` Duncan
2015-09-18  8:59         ` Gert Menke
2015-09-17 22:41     ` Sean Greenslade
2015-09-18  7:34       ` Gert Menke
2015-09-17  4:19 ` Paul Harvey
2015-09-20  1:26 ` Jim Salter
2015-09-25 12:48   ` Rich Freeman
2015-09-25 12:56     ` Jim Salter
2015-09-25 13:04     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]       ` <5605483A.7040103@jrs-s.net>
2015-09-25 13:46         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-25 13:52       ` Jim Salter
2015-09-25 14:02         ` Timofey Titovets
2015-09-25 14:20           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-29 14:12             ` Gert Menke
2015-10-02  4:21             ` Russell Coker
2015-10-02 12:07               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-03  8:32                 ` Russell Coker
2015-10-04  2:09                   ` Duncan [this message]
2015-10-04 12:03                     ` Lionel Bouton
2015-10-04 12:21                       ` Rich Freeman
2015-10-05  8:19                         ` Duncan
2015-10-05  8:43                       ` Erkki Seppala
2015-10-05  8:51                         ` Roman Mamedov
2015-10-05 11:16                       ` Lionel Bouton
2015-10-05 11:40                         ` Rich Freeman
2015-10-05 11:54                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                       ` <RPG31r00t34oj7R01PG5Us>
2015-10-05 14:04                         ` Duncan
2015-10-05 15:59                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn

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