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From: Steve Graegert <graegerts@gmail.com>
To: Glynn Clements <glynn@gclements.plus.com>
Cc: Amit Dang <amit_dang@intersolutions.stpn.soft.net>,
	linux-c-programming <linux-c-programming@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Any pointer to Byte Alignment & Structure Padding?
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:15:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6a00c8d50508050315501d900c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17139.19285.978591.275528@cerise.gclements.plus.com>

On 8/5/05, Glynn Clements <glynn@gclements.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve Graegert wrote:
> 
> > >    Thanks for your prompt response and the valuable information. But I
> > > tried following on Linux 32-bit gcc 2.96
> > > struct temp {
> > >    long long i;
> > >    char c;
> > > } and sizeof(struct temp) gave 12 not 16.
> >
> > Hmm, I have no access to a 32-bit machine right now, but I am running
> > GCC 3.4.2 on SPARC and sizeof(temp) gives 16 as expected.
> 
> long long is likely to be 8-byte aligned on 64-bit systems and 4-byte
> aligned on 32-bit systems.

Agree.  Interestingly, Microsofts VCC (was quite curious, so I did a
quick test) aligns long long on an 8-byte boundary resulting in a size
of 16 for the structure given above. (Yes it's a 32-bit machine.) 
Don't know the reason for that, since the ABI for i386 does not
mention this case explicitly.

> > One thing a could think of is that on 32-bit machines it makes no
> > sense to pad to 16 bytes since the natural word size (size of internal
> > registers) is 4 bytes resulting in an unnecessary read operation to
> > fetch the rest of the structure that is useless anyway.
> 
> Aligment is determined by the granularity of RAM access. E.g. 32-bit
> systems tend to have RAM organised as 32-bit words; reading a 32-bit
> value which issn't aligned requires reading two adjacent words,
> shifting and OR-ing them together to obtain the desired value.

Yes, sure, but why would Microsoft's C compiler generate code that
results in a fully despensable read operation for the padded word?  (I
know this is a Linux programming list, but the question seems related
to the overall topic of data alignment in memory.)
 
Regards

	\Steve

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-05 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-01 11:43 Any pointer to Byte Alignment & Structure Padding? Amit Dang
     [not found] ` <6eee1c40508010514517b5b90@mail.gmail.com>
2005-08-01 12:16   ` Vadiraj
     [not found]     ` <17134.43470.280296.644313@cerise.gclements.plus.com>
2005-08-02 11:21       ` Vadiraj
2005-08-02 11:40         ` Amit Dang
2005-08-02 16:39           ` Glynn Clements
2005-08-02 17:12             ` Vadiraj
2005-08-03  4:04               ` Amit Dang
     [not found]     ` <673ac06405080402432d0feda3@mail.gmail.com>
2005-08-04 15:23       ` Vadiraj
2005-08-04 16:28         ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-05 16:51           ` Vadiraj
2005-08-05  4:14         ` Amit Dang
2005-08-05  6:32           ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-05  6:49             ` Amit Dang
2005-08-05  7:09               ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-05 11:19                 ` Glynn Clements
2005-08-05 10:15                   ` Steve Graegert [this message]
2005-08-05 10:53                     ` Amit Dang
2005-08-05 11:13                       ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-05 11:28                         ` Amit Dang
2005-08-05 11:37                           ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-05 12:59                     ` Glynn Clements
2005-08-05 11:31                       ` Steve Graegert
2005-08-01 12:27   ` Amit Dang
2005-08-01 14:11     ` wwp
     [not found]       ` <003b01c59715$d3ffef00$9900a8c0@ispl091>
     [not found]         ` <6a00c8d5050801234267dd0f7f@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <01dd01c5972f$5c3b62a0$9900a8c0@ispl091>
     [not found]             ` <17135.20687.821822.269575@cerise.gclements.plus.com>
     [not found]               ` <02c401c59745$2aaa0410$9900a8c0@ispl091>
2005-08-02 11:08                 ` Progga
2005-08-02 11:34                   ` Amit Dang
2005-08-02 11:32                 ` Steve Graegert

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