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From: Alexander Stein <alexander.stein@systec-electronic.com>
To: David Jander <david@protonic.nl>
Cc: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>,
	Wolfgang Grandegger <wg@grandegger.com>,
	linux-can@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] can: flexcan: Re-write receive path to use MB queue instead of FIFO
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:02:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5017123.OgYMn6dde4@ws-stein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140929163932.055fae8f@archvile>

On Monday 29 September 2014 16:39:32, David Jander wrote:
> 
> Dear Alexander,
> 
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:29:28 +0200
> Alexander Stein <alexander.stein@systec-electronic.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 29 September 2014 14:52:55, David Jander wrote:
> > > The FlexCAN controller has a RX FIFO that is only 6 messages deep, and a
> > > mailbox space capable of holding up to 63 messages.
> > > 
> > > This space was largely unused, limiting the permissible latency from
> > > interrupt to NAPI to only 6 messages. This patch uses all available MBs
> > > for message reception and frees the MBs in the IRQ handler to greatly
> > > decrease the likelihood of receive overruns.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: David Jander <david@protonic.nl>
> > 
> > AFAICT, If you disable Rx FIFO mode, you essentially break RTR reception on
> > (at least) i.MX3. Please refere to the reference manual 24.4.8.1 Remote
> > Frames. Vybrid and i.MX6 (not sure about i.MX5) seem to have more features
> > about RTR reception.
> 
> Argh! Looks like you are right!
> RTR reception did not work for i.MX6 either, but that is because I forgot to
> set RRS bit in CTRL2... which does not exist on i.MX53 nor i.MX35.
> What's strange is the fact that the i.MX53 RM does not contain the chapter you
> mention (it is contained in the i.MX35 RM though), and this is the only place
> that clearly seems to indicate that this indeed will not work on the i.MX3:
> 
> "A received remote request frame is not stored in a receive buffer. It is only
> used to trigger a transmission of a frame in response."

Yep, it seems that the FlexCAN part of the RM is even more shorter in i.MX5 than i.MX3 or i.MX6...

> AFAICS, we have little choice but to use the Rx FIFO, at least for i.MX3/5 or
> older IPs...
> 
> Maybe I can re-factor the code in such a way that the same construction is
> used outside the IRQ context, but the IRQ routine will either empty the FIFO
> (for revision 3 and older flexcan) or the while MB area (for revision 10 and
> newer).
> 
> The BIG drawback of using the RX FIFO is that it is really tiny. Not using it
> is really a big win for i.MX6 and newer... which I'd like to keep.

I don't know how the MB actually work, but I know about race conditions in C_CAN (actually pch can) with the pseudo FIFO implemented using message boxes. May this also happen here? That's a reason I'm really happy there is a real FIFO in hardware.

> Nevertheless, emptying the FIFO in the IRQ handler will still be a big
> improvement, since the only thing that could still kill the driver and cause
> message loss is interrupt latency, which normally should not be so high. NAPI
> scheduling latency is probably much worse, and this is the biggest issue with
> the current driver.
> 
> Any suggestion on what to do?

Get rid of NAPI and use RT-preempt with proper priorities :) But joke aside, which workload does increase the NAPI latency so much, an overrun occurs? I tested CAN bursts on i.MX35 without any loss.

Best regards
Alexander

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-29 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-29 12:52 [PATCH v5] can: flexcan: Re-write receive path to use MB queue instead of FIFO David Jander
2014-09-29 13:29 ` Alexander Stein
2014-09-29 14:39   ` David Jander
2014-09-29 15:02     ` Alexander Stein [this message]
2014-09-30  7:13       ` David Jander
2014-09-30  7:43         ` Alexander Stein
2014-10-01  6:29           ` David Jander
2014-10-01  7:11             ` Alexander Stein
2014-10-01  7:15               ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-01  8:29                 ` Alexander Stein
2014-10-01  9:07                   ` David Jander
2014-10-01  9:19                     ` Alexander Stein
2014-10-01  9:34                       ` David Jander
2014-10-01  9:58                         ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-06  7:28                           ` David Jander
2014-10-06 10:00                             ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-06 11:17                               ` David Jander
2014-10-07  9:30                                 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] can: rx-fifo: Increase MB size limit from 32 to 64 David Jander
2014-10-07  9:30                                   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] can: rx-fifo: Add support for IRQ readout and NAPI poll David Jander
2014-10-07 13:17                                   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] can: rx-fifo: Increase MB size limit from 32 to 64 Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-07 13:27                                     ` David Jander
2014-10-07 14:18                                       ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-08  9:08                               ` [PATCH v5] can: flexcan: Re-write receive path to use MB queue instead of FIFO David Jander
2014-10-08  9:56                                 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-08 10:36                                   ` Alexander Stein
2014-10-08 10:43                                     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2014-10-08 14:01                                   ` David Jander
2014-10-09 10:37                                     ` David Jander
2014-10-01  9:19               ` David Jander

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