From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Wolfgang Grandegger Subject: Re: What are you doing if the TX buffer overflows? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:50:56 +0200 Message-ID: <50596B50.901@grandegger.com> References: <505777BC.3000705@hartkopp.net> <5058659E.2010804@grandegger.com> <50586A50.5060300@pengutronix.de> <50586DE4.9020707@grandegger.com> <50587058.7090703@pengutronix.de> <50587987.3070308@grandegger.com> <50587A4F.5060105@pengutronix.de> <5058C28A.5030300@grandegger.com> <5058C505.6020605@pengutronix.de> <5058C7EC.1080206@grandegger.com> <20120918202018.GA78585@macbook.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Return-path: Received: from ngcobalt02.manitu.net ([217.11.48.102]:40918 "EHLO ngcobalt02.manitu.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750757Ab2ISGvG (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 02:51:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20120918202018.GA78585@macbook.local> Sender: linux-can-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: To: Marc Kleine-Budde , Oliver Hartkopp , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Heinz-J=FCrgen_Oertel?= , "linux-can@vger.kernel.org" On 09/18/2012 10:20 PM, Kurt Van Dijck wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 09:13:48PM +0200, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote: >> On 09/18/2012 09:01 PM, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote: >>> On 09/18/2012 08:50 PM, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote: >>>> On 09/18/2012 03:42 PM, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote: >>>>> On 09/18/2012 03:39 PM, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote: >>>>>> On 09/18/2012 03:00 PM, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote: >>>>>>> On 09/18/2012 02:49 PM, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote: >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have several customers who asked how to abort pending TX m= essages, >>>>>>>>> too. Which involves: >>>>>>>>> a) clear the TX-queue in Linux >>>>>>>>> b) clear queue in hardware >>>>>>>>> c) abort currently transmitting CAN frame >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think c) would be a usecase of its own, too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you need c) for b), at least for some controllers. The= se >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, if it's a hardware limitation so be it. But if we design a= n >>>>>>> interface it should support "clear everything" (a+b+c), but als= o just >>>>>>> only c. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, that you be nice. The only portable "clear everything" (a+b= +c) I >>>>>> see is "ifconfig down -> up". This also answers you other relate= d mail. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do people really want/need and why? This is still not clear= to me. >>>>>> More input would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> Heinz-J=FCrgen uses abort current TX Message on SJA1000, can you = give us >>>>> more insight? I've talked to customers, e.g. they want to abort t= he >>>>> current frame if it takes "too long" to send it, because the fram= es CAN >>>>> id priority is too low. >=20 > If "too long" is defined as a period of time where it makes sense to > take such actions in software (like > 10msec), and your message still > did not get out, but you wanted it to be, > then IMO the bus load is too high with regard to the expected time re= strictions. >=20 > Or am I missing something? >=20 >>>> >>>> What we could implement rather easily is a "tx-abort-last" or >>>> "tx-abort-all" netlink command. As this command does not make sens= e when >>>> more than one message is pending I'm in favor of "tx-abort-last". >>> >>> I like to have both commands. >> >> But then "tx-abort-all" should also clear the tx socket queue. Also = be >> aware that more than one socket may send messages. Let's wait for mo= re >> use-cases. >=20 > I'm afraid tx-abort-all & tx-abort-last cause more damage than good, > especially, but not only, in multi-user environments. At least it's incompatible with multi-user (-sender) support and it doe= s not fit into the Linux networking principles! And so far I have not heard strong arguments for implementing message flush and abort. I stil= l believe that a device stop->restart is enough to cure such problems. Bu= t let's wait and see. Wolfgang.