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From: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
To: Jason White <white_jason_r1@cat.com>
Cc: linux-can@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What are you doing if the TX buffer overflows?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:54:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50A4E5FC.5020103@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20121114T213201-791@post.gmane.org>

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On 11/14/2012 09:48 PM, Jason White wrote:
> Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl <at> pengutronix.de> writes:
> 
>>
>>
>> We have several customers who asked how to abort pending TX messages,
>> too. Which involves:
>> a) clear the TX-queue in Linux
>> b) clear queue in hardware
>> c) abort currently transmitting CAN frame
>>
>> I think c) would be a usecase of its own, too.
>>
>> Marc
>>
> 
> 
> Has there been any more investigation into this tx buffer overflow scenario?
> 
> I've been working on using SocketCAN interface for the past several months.  
> I have quite a bit of experience with CAN from an embedded perspective 
> (outside of Linux) and even multiple clients accessing a single CAN port.  
> We have to have a method of flushing the transmit queue because if an ECU is 
> initially alone on the network and goes error passive (no ack), then we want
> to be able to flush the tx queue periodically to prevent stale data on the bus.
> Other scenarios have also been listed.
> 
> Right now we are taking the interface down and then back up and while this 
> works for a single process using CAN, I don't think it will work well with 
> multi-process support.  Would the other processes know that the interface 
> was taken down?  I haven't decided the route we will go, but maybe an 

If the other process is doing a read, the read will return. I'm not sure
what happens to a write after ifdown/ifup, I think it will fail.

> intermediate layer between SocketCAN and user processes to monitor the 
> flushing.  Does the socket itself have any buffering or are messages 
> forwarded directly to the driver?
> 
> Ideally a packet timeout would be implemented in the driver since it knows 
> when the last message was transmitted (tx interrupt) and could perform the 
> flush properly.  Has there been any more thought to this scenario?

This is a scenario, I think the first step will be to implement an
"abort currently transmitted frame" callback. Note that not all hardware
supports a tx-complete interrupt. A timeout mechanism can then be
implemented in the framework in a hardware independent way, e.g. if you
extend the currently used can_echo mechanism.

Marc

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-15 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-17 13:58 What are you doing if the TX buffer overflows? Heinz-Jürgen Oertel
2012-09-17 19:19 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2012-09-17 19:26   ` Andrew Bell
2012-09-17 19:33     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2012-09-18 13:36       ` Andrew Bell
2012-09-18 13:46         ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]   ` <4283CE44E963D741A50240F32D185B9F109AA1@SBSPORT3.portgmbh.local>
2012-09-17 19:40     ` Heinz-Jürgen Oertel
2012-09-18 11:44       ` Kurt Van Dijck
2012-09-18 12:14   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 12:34     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 12:49       ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 13:00         ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 13:39           ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 13:42             ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 18:50               ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 19:01                 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 19:13                   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 20:20                     ` Kurt Van Dijck
2012-09-19  5:42                       ` Oliver Hartkopp
2012-09-19  7:47                         ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-19  9:04                         ` Kurt Van Dijck
2012-09-19  6:50                       ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-19  7:39                         ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-19  8:10                           ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-19  7:31                       ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-19 10:18           ` Steffen Rose
     [not found]           ` <34567791.oZ5dyCnTQA@lisa>
2012-09-19 10:26             ` [Socketcan-users] " Kurt Van Dijck
2012-09-19 11:32               ` Steffen Rose
2012-11-14 20:48       ` Jason White
2012-11-15 12:54         ` Marc Kleine-Budde [this message]
2012-11-15 17:12           ` Oliver Hartkopp
2012-11-15 19:11             ` Jason White
2012-11-15 21:04               ` Oliver Hartkopp
2012-11-16 15:13             ` Kurt Van Dijck
2012-11-16 17:09               ` Jason White
2012-11-15 19:07           ` Jason White
2012-09-18 12:37 ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2012-09-18 13:22   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 13:24   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2012-09-18 13:25   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
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2013-01-08 10:09 Alexander Stein
2014-01-27 20:47 ` Jason White

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