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From: Alexander Stein <alexander.stein@systec-electronic.com>
To: Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@hartkopp.net>
Cc: linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	"Daniel Krüger" <daniel.krueger@systec-electronic.com>
Subject: Re: wrong CAN frame order in network layer due to SMP?
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:30:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5633679.WId9jP25Qd@ws-stein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c9a4e53c-42f8-c982-e701-0259fb1ac67b@hartkopp.net>

Hello Oliver,

On Monday 28 November 2016 21:36:09, Oliver Hartkopp wrote:
> >> IMO the difference is not to queue the skbs for a specific socket but
> >> for a specific interface.
> >> The 'endpoint' of CAN frames where they have to be in order is can_rcv()
> >> in af_can.c and not any TCP instance that needs to reassemble the TCP
> >> traffic for a specific socket.
> > 
> > Sure, TCP can handle OOO pretty fine. Even for UDP this is not a problem
> > at
> > all. But isn't using raw sockets on ethernet in promiscuous mode a
> > somewhat
> > similar scenario? Or to put it in another way: Wouldn't tcpdump or
> > wireshark suffer from the same problem?
> 
> Hm - I pushed Wireshark and libpcap to remove PF_CAN support and
> implement the CAN dissectors based on PF_PACKET:
> 
> Wireshark bug/feature request:
> https://bugs.wireshark.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12687
> 
> libpcap:
> https://github.com/the-tcpdump-group/libpcap/commit/93ca5ff7030aaf1219e1de05
> ec89a68384bfc50b
> 
> Wireshark CAN/CANFD dissector:
> https://code.wireshark.org/review/#/c/16787/
> 
> Commit:
> https://code.wireshark.org/review/gitweb?p=wireshark.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fad
> 354a3e379382368cd1ef67b841315c29e050
> 
> But you need to build the latest libpcap & Wireshark to use the
> PF_PACKET flavour in Wireshark.
> 
> IIRC Wireshark puts the PF_PACKET socket into some special 'tpacket'
> mode and I don't know whether this has any impact on frame ordering.
> 
> At least you may check for:
> https://github.com/linux-can/can-tests/blob/master/tst-packet.c
> 
> ... if there's a difference between PF_PACKET and PF_CAN with your OOO
> setup.

Nope, apparently there is no difference. Got similar results.

On a side note: I captured an 30 seconds iperf3 run with wireshark 2.2.2 using 
the "ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88179 Gigabit Ethernet" adapter (driver: 
ax88179_178a).
AFAICS this driver (well usbnet in the end) doesn't use NAPI either and 
therefore unsurprisingly I got OOO of TCP frames.
IMHO this is not acceptable at all.

Best regards,
Alexander
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-29 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-24 15:49 wrong CAN frame order in network layer due to SMP? Alexander Stein
2016-11-25 11:46 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2016-11-28  9:01   ` Alexander Stein
2016-11-28 20:36     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2016-11-29 10:30       ` Alexander Stein [this message]
2016-11-29 19:48         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2016-11-30  7:23           ` Alexander Stein

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