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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Jerome Brunet <jbrunet@baylibre.com>
Cc: sashiko-bot@kernel.org,  sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev,
	conor+dt@kernel.org,  linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org,  robh@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 3/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Retrieve HXT/LXT from DT when possible
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2026 10:17:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wlrkzog2.fsf@bootlin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <179191290452.266355.16355634952216272745.b4-reply@b4> (Jerome Brunet's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:35:04 +0200")

On 13/10/2026 at 19:35:04 +02, Jerome Brunet <jbrunet@baylibre.com> wrote:

> On 2026-10-13 19:12 +0200, Miquel Raynal wrote:
>> Hi Jerome,
>> 
>> >>>> -	hws[HXT] = ma35d1_clk_fixed("hxt", 24000000);
>> >>>
>> >>> [Severity: Critical]
>> >>> Does this unconditional removal break ABI compatibility with older device
>> >>> trees?
>> >>>
>> >>> Because HXT (index 0) is exported as a public ABI in the DT bindings,
>> >>> removing its explicit registration leaves hws[HXT] as NULL in the provider's
>> >>> clock array. If an existing downstream or older device tree consumer explicitly
>> >>> references this clock via clocks = <&clk HXT>, won't the provider's
>> >>> of_clk_hw_onecell_get() fail to resolve the clock and return an error?
>> >>
>> >> Jerome, your wisdom matters here :-) For me this is a false positive,
>> >> because nobody outside this driver should access hws[HXT] and the clock
>> >> is still referenced through the DT, just not provided by this
>> >> driver. For me this is not an issue we should consider, let me know
>> >> otherwise.
>> >
>> > Strictly speaking there is (used to be) a clock at this index so it is
>> > not a false positive. Someone crazy enough could have gone through here
>> > to get the OSC even if does not make a lot of sense.
>> >
>> > This clock should never have existed to start with but it got in the
>> > bindings ... and that is the pain of dealing with bad bindings :/
>> >
>> > You've got 2 options:
>> > * Removing the ID from the bindings explaining clearly that it conflicts
>> >   with the fact this clock is actually an input according to the same
>> >   bindings. I suspect the DT maintainers won't like this much ...
>> >
>> > * Keep the bad support binding in the driver: You'll need a pass-through
>> >   clock element where the parent data is the fw_name and a fallback to
>> >   an `hxt-fake-internal' fixed clock. Feel free to add a comment
>> >   explaining how bad it is to use that clock and what user should be
>> >   doing instead.
>> 
>> Too bad. I am pretty sure nobody ever used that yet (since it is both
>> very recent and fundamentally broken) but okay, I'll keep registering a
>> dummy fixed clock there in case anybody ever cares about that lookup.
>
> Maybe I'm a bit too cautious with this. If you get the DT folks to ack
> the removal of the ID, I'm fine with you dropping the workaround.

Ok, I will try.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-14  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-04 20:45 [PATCH v8 0/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Fix mux parenting and peripheral clock rates Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 1/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Use clk_hw pointers as mux parents Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 2/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Avoid possible error pointer dereferencing Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 3/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Retrieve HXT/LXT from DT when possible Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:59   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-04 21:16     ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-05  9:06       ` Jerome Brunet
2026-10-13 17:12         ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-13 17:35           ` Jerome Brunet
2026-10-14  8:17             ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2026-10-14 14:20               ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 4/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Reparent the gates correctly Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 5/7] clk: nuvoton: ma35d1: Reparent SYSPLL correctly Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:55   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-04 21:19     ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-05  9:12       ` Jerome Brunet
2026-10-06  7:57         ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-12 15:30           ` Jerome Brunet
2026-10-13 16:53             ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-13 17:37               ` Jerome Brunet
2026-10-14  8:16                 ` Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 6/7] arm64: dts: nuvoton: ma35d1: Drop HXT clock output name Miquel Raynal
2026-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v8 7/7] arm64: dts: nuvoton: ma35d1: Add LXT crystal and clock-names Miquel Raynal

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