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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
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	cedric.xing@intel.com, sameo@meta.com,
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	jic23@kernel.org, alistair.francis@wdc.com, ankita@nvidia.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, kas@kernel.org,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, elena.reshetova@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, peter.fang@intel.com,
	roberto.sassu@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:12:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <103486a4a29ecc7b72940dd051c00ae59266bd05.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ath4vwt7KGyDXKVJ@FV6GYCPJ69>

On Wed, 2026-10-21 at 10:33 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 12:56:58AM +0200, jgg@nvidia.com wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 09:10:31AM -0700, Dionna Glaze wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 5:08 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, I was thinking about this and went back and forth. In the end, the
> > > > only reason for leaving it unbounded is to allow multiple independent
> > > > users of the same register. For example, IMA and systemd could share a
> > > > TDX RTMR. The systemd side would read the journal through the
> > > > attestation device and the IMA side through securityfs, but both are
> > > > views of the same journal. If one side truncated it, the other could no
> > > > longer replay the RTMR. Isn't this the valid usecase? Do you see how to
> > > > resolve this?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Bright minds have spent a significant amount of time working on this.
> > > 
> > > +Roberto Sassu, +Mimi Zohar
> > > IMA logs and systemd logs are both system level concerns that are
> > > relevant to the OS construction, not individual users,
> > > so I would just say to reroute IMA to use ctlv using a kernel config
> > > setting, then make systemd the new system manager of the holistic log.
> > > The securityfs log contents can simply say, "log managed by ctlv" in
> > > this setting, in the form of the template identifier.
> > > For policy violations, only the 0... extend needs to go to ctlv.
> > > IMA can still keep its violation log as a ring buffer when it's not a
> > > 1-to-1 violation to extension
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYUYbdiN_4
> > 
> > I think for now we should not include a new dynamic log here, the uAPI
> > around this Jiri drafted can remain a future step. I don't want to
> > open complicated discussions about new functionality at this
> > stage. The whole CTLV idea in general is a big enough thing to bite
> > off for this series.
> 
> Okay, dropping the log from this set.

Thank you.  Please keep in mind going forward, that the scarce hardware register
limitation (like the 4 TDX RTMRs) should be resolved (e.g. by multiplexing the
extension path), not by combining distinct measurement lists.

Mimi

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21  8:33                   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12                     ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2026-10-21 14:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 19:05                         ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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