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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
Cc: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] PCI/TSM: Bind CTLV attestation to connected and locked contexts
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 09:41:36 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261029124136.GE3040767@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq5ajyn1axb8.fsf@kernel.org>

On Thu, Oct 29, 2026 at 11:00:03AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com> writes:
> 
> > On 10/28/26 8:26 AM, Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm) wrote:
> >
> 
>  [ ... 232 lines skipped ... ] 
> 
> >> +	ops = tsm->tsm_dev->pci_ops;
> >> +	if (!ops->refresh_evidence)
> >> +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> >> +
> >> +	ret = ops->refresh_evidence(tsm, type, 0, (void *)challenge, length);
> >> +	/* Even a failed refresh may have changed device state. Retire all verdicts. */
> >> +	if (ret)
> >> +		tsm->error = true;
> >
> > Does this make any refresh failure fatal until unlock? The CCA refresh
> > in 11/11 says "failure preserve the old cache", but with tsm->error
> > set I don't think the cache can be read or accepted?
> 
> Yes. The generic layer treats an evidence refresh failure as fatal. The
> backend can decide how to present that failure.

The locked generation scheme should fully protect against any desync
issues though? Do we need to care here?

I also continue to dislike the use of the word 'cached' here, why is
this like this? If someone wants evidence they should get the fresh
evidence with their nonce returned. I can understand hanging on to
certificates and other unsigned data but then what would even trigger
a refresh of that? Something you can't refresh isn't a cache, it is
just the immutable data.

Needs some more explanation I suppose, or maybe I haven't found the
explanation yet.

> > The cached evidence is still the lock's evidence, collected after the
> > lock. And per the cover letter a failed refresh already invalidates
> > the earlier generations. Should the backend decide instead, and set
> > tsm->error itself when it can't tell what happened to the device?
> 
> For the CCA backend, evidence is replaced only after successful
> validation. If validation fails, the cached evidence remains unchanged.
> However, we could instead discard the existing evidence cache when a
> refresh starts.

What validation?

> > Also, this builds on struct pci_tsm_evidence from Dan's March posting
> > [1]. The TDX guest RFC [2] and AMD's SEV-TIO guest RFC [3] both use
> > device_evidence_create() from his July posting [4]. Is the plan to go
> > with pci_tsm_evidence and drop device_evidence? Would help to know
> > which one to build the TDX guest side on.
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260303000207.1836586-1-dan.j.williams@intel.com/
> > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260924041032.1096569-1-zhenzhong.duan@intel.com/
> > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260916115159.1938195-16-aik@amd.com/
> > [4] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260705220819.2472765-1-djbw@kernel.org/
> >
> 
> The include/linux/attestation.h do cover
> 
> enum attestation_device_trust_state {
> 	ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_UNSET =
> 		CTLV_ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_STATE_UNSET,
> 	ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_NONE =
> 		CTLV_ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_STATE_NONE,
> 	ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_ADVERSARY =
> 		CTLV_ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_STATE_ADVERSARY,
> 	ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_AUTO =
> 		CTLV_ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_STATE_AUTO,
> 	ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_TCB = CTLV_ATTESTATION_DEVICE_TRUST_STATE_TCB,
> };
> 
> I am still unclear how this will interact with generic device trust. We
> can only determine that after reviewing the device trust series.

I don't know why attestation subsystem would have an opinion or
interfaces for device trust?

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-29 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-28 15:26 [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] PCI/TSM: Add CTLV attestation Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/11] attestation: Restrict inherited operations per instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/11] attestation: Filter evidence objects " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] attestation: Enter secure operation when evidence is accepted Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] attestation: Bind object selection to accepted evidence snapshots Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/11] attestation: Make the evidence-get challenge attribute optional Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/11] PCI/TSM: Describe the PCI attestation control family Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/11] attestation: Add attestation helpers for PCI/TSM integration Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] PCI/TSM: Bind CTLV attestation to connected and locked contexts Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 22:56   ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-29  5:30     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-29 12:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/11] crypto/ccp: Defer SEV-TIO link setup until evidence acceptance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/11] virt: coco: arm-cca-host: Publish slot zero and establish streams after acceptance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-10-28 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/11] virt: coco: arm-cca-guest: Refresh selected evidence against trusted digests Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)

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