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From: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
To: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
	Qinkun Bao <qinkun@google.com>,
	Mikko Ylinen <mikko.ylinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] tsm: Unified Measurement Register ABI for TVMs
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:07:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d459da4-03e7-4233-9c93-cd6b88886a85@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d49a9768-fc9c-4df7-ba11-5b25470f6feb@amazon.com>

On 9/10/2024 2:47 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> On 09.09.24 16:55, Xing, Cedric wrote:
>> Distinguishing them in the user interface makes enumeration of RTMRs
>> easier. Also, there are RTMR specific artifacts that static MRs don't
>> have. The most obvious is the `event_log`. `hash_algo` is less obvious
>> but it is in fact applicable to RTMRs only (the only thing that a static
>> MR has is its value). Adding those to static MRs would confuse users.
> 
> 
> I think that this statement is looking too much at the problem with TDX 
> glasses on. Conceptually, measurements can happen at any time by any 
> component and then get locked going forward. Let's look a bit at what 
> different solutions do:
> 
> TDX
> 
> static - special registers that get written by the secure module and are 
> locked at launch (?); SHA256? No event log; order defined by platform.
> dynamic - special registers that are mutable at runtime
> 
> SEV-SNP
> 
> static - launch digest generated by ASP at launch time using a SEV-SNP 
> specific algorithm. No event log; order defined by platform.
> dynamic - not specified, would be implemented by an SVSM
> 
> Nitro Enclaves
> 
> static - PCR0-15 get calculated and then locked by the boot loader. 
> SHA384. No event log; mechanics to reproduce are defined in docs.
> dynamic - PCR16-31 are up for customer use and can be locked at any 
> later stage. SHA384. Event log is undefined and up to customer code.
> 
> 
> All static calculations are based on some algorithm. Yes, the algorithm 
> isn't necessarily a standard digest, but they can all have a name. I can 
> also absolutely see how any of the solutions above gain event log 
> support for static or dynamic measurements. At the end of the day, an 
> event log for static measurements is just a matter of writing it out at 
> launch time.
> 
> So what I'm trying to say is: In the user space ABI (file system 
> layout), please treat static and dynamic registers identically. There 
> really is no difference between them apart from the fact that some are 
> read-only and others are read-write.
> 
You are absolute right that all MRs are the same thing, and that's why 
they are modeled in the same way at the CC guest driver level. In fact, 
if a CC guest wants to expose all MRs in their own dirs, it could set 
`TSM_MR_F_X` for all MRs and returns an error from `extend` for 
static/non-extensible ones. For example, PCR0~31 may all be exposed this 
way on Nitro. I hope this addresses your concerns.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-10 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-08  4:56 [PATCH RFC 0/3] tsm: Unified Measurement Register ABI for TVMs Cedric Xing
2024-09-08  4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] tsm: Add TVM Measurement Register Support Cedric Xing
2024-09-08  4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] tsm: Add RTMR event logging Cedric Xing
2024-09-08  4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] tsm: Add TVM Measurement Sample Code Cedric Xing
2024-09-09 15:14   ` Jeff Johnson
2024-09-09 15:20     ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-12 12:28   ` James Bottomley
2024-09-14 16:36     ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-14 17:10       ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15  4:53         ` Xing, Cedric
2024-10-24 17:21         ` Mikko Ylinen
2024-09-08 17:37 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] tsm: Unified Measurement Register ABI for TVMs Alexander Graf
2024-09-09 14:55   ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-10  7:47     ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-10 18:07       ` Xing, Cedric [this message]
2024-09-10 17:09 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-11  4:01   ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-11  6:56     ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-12 15:43       ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13  9:43         ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-11 12:06     ` James Bottomley
2024-09-11 13:46       ` Qinkun Bao
2024-09-11 14:10         ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12  3:23           ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-12 12:15             ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 19:00               ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13 12:55                 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15  4:31                   ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13 12:58                 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15  5:14                   ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-11 23:29       ` Dan Williams
2024-09-11 23:36     ` Dan Williams
2024-09-12  9:25     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-12 10:03   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2024-09-12 11:02     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-13 19:42     ` Xing, Cedric

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