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From: Maksim Davydov <davydov-max@yandex-team.ru>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 21/51] x86/kvm: Obtain TSC frequency from PV CPUID if present
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 12:42:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52aed8f2-02e1-4ef5-a6bb-7010e0dda488@yandex-team.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eQRW22S6zSrhkxc+8PgSuOJJOB-jh_W1iyr7c0j5SBLow@mail.gmail.com>



On 8/18/26 01:25, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2026 at 3:20 PM Maksim Davydov
> <davydov-max@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/26 17:08, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2026, Maksim Davydov wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/26 02:35, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>>>> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
>>>>> index 29ca37e9a3bc..f55d0305d1f3 100644
>>>>> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
>>>>> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
>>>>> @@ -342,8 +342,10 @@ void __init kvmclock_init(void)
>>>>>     flags = pvclock_read_flags(&hv_clock_boot[0].pvti);
>>>>>     kvm_sched_clock_init(flags & PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT);
>>>>>
>>>>> -   x86_init.hyper.get_tsc_khz = kvmclock_get_tsc_khz;
>>>>> -   x86_init.hyper.get_cpu_khz = kvmclock_get_tsc_khz;
>>>>> +   if (!x86_init.hyper.get_tsc_khz)
>>>>> +           x86_init.hyper.get_tsc_khz = kvmclock_get_tsc_khz;
>>>>> +   if (!x86_init.hyper.get_cpu_khz)
>>>>> +           x86_init.hyper.get_cpu_khz = kvmclock_get_tsc_khz;
>>>>>     x86_platform.get_wallclock = kvm_get_wallclock;
>>>>>     x86_platform.set_wallclock = kvm_set_wallclock;
>>>>>  #ifdef CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I cannot test this right now as I lack two servers with different CPU
>>>> base frequencies, but it seems that this patch might break something in
>>>> guests:
>>>> After migrating a VM (QEMU + KVM) from a host with one base frequency to
>>>> another host with a different base frequency, the value in CPUID leaf
>>>> 0x40000010 EAX changes and becomes the same as the destination host base
>>>> frequency instead of remaining the source base frequency.
>>>
>>> That's a bug in whatever is orchestrating the migration, and/or QEMU if QEMU is
>>> handing the upper layers a loaded footgun.
>>>
>>>> The main reason for this behaviour is that setting the TSC frequency via
>>>> ioctl(KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ) doesn't change the value in CPUID leaf 0x40000010
>>>> EAX and these two entities are still not connected.
>>>
>>> And they never will be.  It's userspace's responsibility to fill the correct
>>> values for 0x40000010.
>>>
>>> But AFAICT, QEMU does the right thing.  env->tsc_khz is used for both the CPUID
>>> leaf and for KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ.
>>>
>>> kvm_arch_init_vcpu():
>>>
>>>         c = &cpuid_data.entries[cpuid_i++];
>>>         c->function = KVM_CPUID_SIGNATURE | 0x10;
>>>         c->eax = env->tsc_khz;
>>>         c->ebx = env->apic_bus_freq / 1000; /* Hz to KHz */
>>>         c->ecx = c->edx = 0;
>>>
>>> kvm_arch_set_tsc_khz():
>>>
>>>     r = set_ioctl ?
>>>         kvm_vcpu_ioctl(cs, KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ, env->tsc_khz) :
>>>         -ENOTSUP;
>>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> However, kvm_arch_set_tsc_khz() is also used at the end of migration
>> (qemu_loadvm_state -> cpu_synchronize_post_init).
>> So, the new value of env->tsc_khz from the source host can be loaded
>> during migration via KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ. However, the frequency in CPUID
>> leaf 0x40000010 remains the same as on the destination host (the TSC
>> frequency can differ from the source host's frequency). Thus, it's
>> possible to have unsynchronized CPUID leaf 0x40000010 when using default
>> QEMU parameters.
> 
> I don't use qemu, but isn't the qemu solution for this general
> situation to mark leaf 40000010H as 'unmigratable'?

I don't think this leaf should be unmigratable by default. I think the
same logic as for `invtsc` can be implemented:
If the TSC frequency is explicitly specified via `-cpu`, CPUID leaf
0x40000010 is migratable because `env->tsc_khz` during
`kvm_arch_init_vcpu()` on the destination host will be the same as on
the source host. But if the TSC frequency isn't specified, CPUID leaf
0x40000010 has to be omitted from `KVM_SET_CPUID2`.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-18  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-06 23:35 [PATCH v6 00/51] x86: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 01/51] x86/apic: Provide helpers to set local APIC timer frequency in hz and khz Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 10:36   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 02/51] x86/apic: Add CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=n stubs for APIC timer frequency APIs Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 10:37   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 03/51] x86/tsc: Ensure that TSC recalibration doesn't run if TSC frequency is known Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 04/51] x86/tsc: Restrict recalibrate_cpu_khz() export to p4-clockmod and powernow-k7 Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:39   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 05/51] x86/sev: Mark TSC as reliable when configuring Secure TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 06/51] x86/sev: Don't override CPU frequency calibration for SNP's " Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:48   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 07/51] x86/sev: Move check for SNP Secure TSC support to tsc_early_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 08/51] x86/sev: Shove SNP's secure/trusted TSC frequency directly into "calibration" Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:50   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 09/51] x86/tsc: Add a standalone helper for getting TSC info from CPUID.0x15 Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 10/51] x86/tdx: Force TSC frequency with CPUID-based info provided by the TDX-Module Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:53   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-10 14:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 11/51] x86/tsc: Add dedicated hypervisor hooks for getting known TSC/CPU frequencies Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:55   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 12/51] x86/acrn: Register TSC/CPU frequency callbacks iff frequency is actually in CPUID Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:57   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 13/51] x86/acrn: Mark TSC frequency as known when using ACRN for calibration Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 14:59   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-10 13:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 14/51] x86/tsc: Consolidate forcing of X86_FEATURE_TSC_KNOWN_FREQ for PV code Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 15:00   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 15/51] x86/tsc: Kill off x86_platform_ops.calibrate_{cpu,tsc}() hooks Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 15:01   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 16/51] x86/tsc: Rename pit_hpet_ptimer_calibrate_cpu() => native_calibrate_cpu_late() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 17/51] x86/tsc: Fold native_calibrate_cpu() into recalibrate_cpu_khz() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 15:03   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 18/51] x86/kvmclock: Rename kvm_get_tsc_khz() to kvmclock_get_tsc_khz() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 19/51] x86/kvmclock: Drop dead check on TSC being unstable during kvmclock_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 15:05   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 20/51] KVM: x86: Officially define CPUID 0x40000010 as PV Timing Info (TSC and Bus) Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 21/51] x86/kvm: Obtain TSC frequency from PV CPUID if present Sean Christopherson
2026-08-16 21:38   ` Maksim Davydov
2026-08-17 14:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-17 22:16       ` Maksim Davydov
2026-08-17 22:25         ` Jim Mattson
2026-08-18  9:42           ` Maksim Davydov [this message]
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 22/51] x86/kvm: Mark TSC as reliable when it's constant and nonstop Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 23/51] x86/tsc: Add standalone helper for getting CPU frequency from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 24/51] x86/kvm: Get CPU base frequency from CPUID when it's available Sean Christopherson
2026-08-08 15:06   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 25/51] clocksource: hyper-v: Register sched_clock save/restore iff it's necessary Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 26/51] clocksource: hyper-v: Drop wrappers to sched_clock save/restore helpers Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 27/51] clocksource: hyper-v: Don't save/restore TSC offset when using HV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 28/51] x86/kvmclock: Setup kvmclock for secondary CPUs iff CONFIG_SMP=y Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 29/51] x86/kvm: Don't disable kvmclock on BSP in syscore_suspend() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 30/51] x86/paravirt: Remove unnecessary PARAVIRT=n stub for paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 31/51] x86/paravirt: Move handling of unstable PV clocks into paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 32/51] x86/kvmclock: Move sched_clock save/restore helpers up in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 33/51] x86/xen/time: NOP-ify x86_platform's sched_clock save/restore hooks Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 34/51] x86/vmware: NOP-ify save/restore hooks when using VMware's sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 35/51] x86/tsc: WARN if TSC sched_clock save/restore used with PV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 36/51] x86/paravirt: Pass sched_clock save/restore helpers during registration Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 37/51] x86/kvmclock: Move kvm_sched_clock_init() down in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 38/51] x86/xen/time: Mark xen_setup_vsyscall_time_info() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 39/51] x86/pvclock: Mark setup helpers and related various as __init/__ro_after_init Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 40/51] x86/pvclock: WARN if pvclock's valid_flags are overwritten Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 41/51] x86/kvmclock: Refactor handling of PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT during kvmclock_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:35 ` [PATCH v6 42/51] timekeeping: Resume clocksources before reading persistent clock Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 43/51] x86/kvmclock: Hook clocksource.suspend/resume when kvmclock isn't sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 44/51] x86/kvmclock: WARN if wall clock is read while kvmclock is suspended Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 45/51] x86/paravirt: Mark __paravirt_set_sched_clock() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 46/51] x86/paravirt: Plumb a return code into __paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 47/51] x86/paravirt: Don't use a PV sched_clock in CoCo guests with trusted TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 48/51] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 49/51] x86/kvmclock: Plumb in AP-online and BSP-resume to kvmlock, for documentation Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 50/51] x86/paravirt: Move using_native_sched_clock() stub into timer.h Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 23:36 ` [PATCH v6 51/51] x86/kvm: Get local APIC bus frequency from PV CPUID Timing Info Sean Christopherson

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