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From: "Kalra, Ashish" <ashish.kalra@amd.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: tglx@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 4/6] x86/sev: Add support to perform RMP optimizations asynchronously
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2026 21:38:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <63867f3f-a7a3-4d6e-83b4-0683688512e9@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260805004913.GBanKIiW-O3pDjIqjH@fat_crate.local>


On 8/4/2026 7:49 PM, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2026 at 05:22:17PM -0500, Kalra, Ashish wrote:
>> Periodic re-optimization was already considered in an earlier RMPOPT series
> 
> Link?

Re-optimizing at guest termination rather than via a periodic/runtime interface was Dave Hansen's suggestion in the v2
review — see https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/5102edd8-8eaa-4688-b3f7-3004c4cbc8f3@intel.com/"

> 
>> and dropped because of being too disruptive — a timer-based scan would run
>> on all cores every time it fires, even when no memory has been freed.
> 
> What if it ran very seldomly, say once an hour?
> 
>> Running it at guest teardown (batched by the timeout) is a better fit:
>> teardown is when large contiguous regions actually go back to the
>> hypervisor, so the scan only runs when there's real work to do instead of on
>> a fixed timer. The case of a guest freeing a 1 GB region mid-life is then
>> handled by the 1 GB-hugetlb page-cleanup follow-on, not by a periodic scan.
> 
> Are you saying a periodic scan won't handle anything?
> 
> Because if it catches something, it will handle that something.
A couple more reasons the event-driven trigger fits better than a fixed period:

- Under churn (many SNP guests terminating and respawning), an hourly scan is too coarse — freed regions would sit
un-optimized for up to an hour. The teardown trigger re-optimizes right after each burst of terminations (batched by the
timeout), so it's more responsive than a periodic scan exactly when there's the most optimization work to do.
- When no SNP guests run, a periodic scan achieves nothing: the initial pass already optimized all of memory and
nothing has changed, so it just re-scans physmem for zero benefit.

So the event-driven approach self-scales with real work — it runs as often as memory is actually freed and not at all
when the system is idle — whereas a fixed timer is both too slow under load and pure overhead when idle. The mid-life
contiguous-1 GB case is then caught precisely by the 1 GB-hugetlb page-cleanup hook when that lands, rather than by a
coarse sweep.

Thanks,
Ashish

> 
>> I will also like to avoid looping on this — periodic vs teardown was already
>> worked through in an earlier revision, and this is where we landed. Happy to
>> revisit if there's a specific new concern, but otherwise I'd prefer to keep
>> the current approach.
> 
> Sorry, this is not how upstream review works.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-05  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-27 19:00 [PATCH v11 0/6] Add RMPOPT support Ashish Kalra
2026-07-27 19:03 ` [PATCH v11 1/6] x86/cpufeatures: Add X86_FEATURE_RMPOPT feature flag Ashish Kalra
2026-07-27 19:01   ` Ashish Kalra
2026-07-27 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 2/6] x86/sev: Disable CPU hotplug while SNP is active Ashish Kalra
2026-07-29  2:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-29 17:51     ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-07-31 19:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2026-07-31 20:27     ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-07-27 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 3/6] x86/sev: Initialize RMPOPT configuration MSRs Ashish Kalra
2026-07-30  2:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-30  2:55     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-07-30  3:39       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-30 19:52         ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-07-30 20:00     ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-07-31  0:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-31 19:43   ` Tom Lendacky
2026-07-27 19:05 ` [PATCH v11 4/6] x86/sev: Add support to perform RMP optimizations asynchronously Ashish Kalra
2026-07-31  5:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-31 12:37     ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-03 18:56       ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-03 19:24         ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-03 19:37           ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-03 21:02             ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-03 21:23               ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-03 21:38                 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-03 22:22                   ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-05  0:49                     ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-05  2:38                       ` Kalra, Ashish [this message]
2026-08-05 19:28                         ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-05 21:04                           ` Kalra, Ashish
2026-08-05 15:12                       ` Dave Hansen
2026-08-05 19:33                         ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-03 21:10       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-31 20:14   ` Tom Lendacky
2026-07-27 19:05 ` [PATCH v11 5/6] x86/sev: Add interface to re-enable RMP optimizations Ashish Kalra
2026-07-27 19:06 ` [PATCH v11 6/6] KVM: SEV: Perform RMP optimizations on SNP guest shutdown Ashish Kalra

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