From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
<dhowells@redhat.com>, Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
<x86@kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] keys: Introduce a keys frontend for attestation reports
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 11:17:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <64d286bda1d8b_5ea6e294eb@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAH4kHYht5s4CkS5Y9+VotPH4WqDrzng0vYy89oq0_U16H_dDA@mail.gmail.com>
Dionna Amalie Glaze wrote:
> >
> > I do not see sysfs precluding a use case like that. If the kernel can
> > call out to userspace for TLS connection setup [1], then advanced user
> > can call out to a daemon for workload provenance setup. Recall that TDX
> > will round trip through the quoting enclave for these reports and,
> > without measuring, that seems to have the potential to dominate the
> > setup time vs the communication to ask a daemon to convey a report.
> >
>
> It's rather hard to get new daemons approved for container
> distributions since they end up as resource hogs.
> I really don't think it's appropriate to delegate to a daemon to
> single-thread use of a kernel interface when the interface could
> provide functional semantics to begin with.
That's fair, it's also not without precedence for the kernel to await a
strong motivation of a use case before taking on a higher maintenance
burden. Unifying kernel interfaces is important for maintainability and
difficult / needs care. sysfs simplifies maintainability (but exports
complexity to userspace), keyring simplifies that (but there is a valid
argument that this is not a key), ioctl complicates that (it is not as
amenable to transport unification as the above options).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-08 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-28 19:30 [PATCH 0/4] keys: Introduce a keys frontend for attestation reports Dan Williams
2023-07-28 19:30 ` [PATCH 1/4] keys: Introduce tsm keys Dan Williams
2023-07-28 19:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-31 16:33 ` Peter Gonda
2023-07-31 17:48 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-31 18:14 ` Peter Gonda
2023-07-31 18:41 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-31 19:09 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-07-31 20:10 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-04 16:34 ` Peter Gonda
2023-08-04 22:24 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-05 5:11 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-01 18:01 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-08-04 2:40 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-04 16:37 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-04 16:46 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-04 17:07 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-04 17:12 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-28 19:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] virt: sevguest: Prep for kernel internal {get, get_ext}_report() Dan Williams
2023-07-28 19:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/slab: Add __free() support for kvfree Dan Williams
2023-07-28 19:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] virt: sevguest: Add TSM key support for SNP_{GET, GET_EXT}_REPORT Dan Williams
2023-07-31 16:45 ` Peter Gonda
2023-07-31 18:05 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-31 18:28 ` Peter Gonda
2023-07-28 19:34 ` [PATCH 0/4] keys: Introduce a keys frontend for attestation reports Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-28 19:44 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-31 10:09 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-31 17:33 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-31 22:41 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-01 18:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-29 18:17 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-30 4:56 ` Dan Williams
2023-07-30 12:59 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-31 17:24 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-01 11:45 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-01 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-01 12:30 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-02 0:10 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-02 12:41 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-02 23:13 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-04 3:53 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-04 2:22 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-04 16:19 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-04 21:49 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-05 11:05 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-05 2:37 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-05 13:30 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-07 23:33 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-08 14:19 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-08 14:53 ` Peter Gonda
2023-08-08 14:54 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-08-08 15:48 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-08 16:07 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-08 16:43 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-08 17:21 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-08 18:17 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-08-08 23:32 ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-09 3:27 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-09 16:14 ` Peter Gonda
2023-08-08 18:16 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-08 18:48 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-08 19:37 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-08 20:04 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-08 21:46 ` James Bottomley
2023-08-08 22:33 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-08-08 15:14 ` Dan Williams
2023-08-10 14:50 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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