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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>
Cc: <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Suravee Suthikulpanit" <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	<pratikrajesh.sampat@amd.com>, <michael.day@amd.com>,
	<david.kaplan@amd.com>, <dhaval.giani@amd.com>,
	Santosh Shukla <santosh.shukla@amd.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@amd.com>,
	Vasant Hegde <vasant.hegde@amd.com>,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 07/21] pci/tdisp: Introduce tsm module
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:00:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66cfba391a779_31daf294a5@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240828234240.GR3468552@ziepe.ca>

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
[..]
> So when I look at the spec I think that probably TIO_DEV_* should be
> connected to VFIO, somewhere as vfio/kvm/iommufd ioctls. This needs to
> be coordinated with everyone else because everyone has *some kind* of
> "trusted world create for me a vPCI device in the secure VM" set of
> verbs.
> 
> TIO_TDI is presumably the device authentication stuff?

I would expect no, because device authentication is purely a
physical-device concept, and a TDI is some subset of that device (up to
and including full physical-function passthrough) that becomes VM
private-world assignable.

> This is why I picked on tsm_dev_connect_store()..
> 
> > Besides sysfs, the module provides common "verbs" to be defined by the
> > platform (which is right now a reduced set of the AMD PSP operations but the
> > hope is it can be generalized); and the module also does PCIe DOE bouncing
> > (which is also not uncommon). Part of this exercise is trying to find some
> > common ground (if it is possible), hence routing everything via this module.
> 
> I think there is a seperation between how the internal stuff in the
> kernel works and how/what the uAPIs are.
> 
> General stuff like authenticate/accept/authorize a PCI device needs
> to be pretty cross platform.
> 
> Stuff like creating vPCIs needs to be ioctls linked to KVM/VFIO
> somehow and can have more platform specific components.
> 
> I would try to split your topics up more along those lines..

I agree with this. There is a definite PCI only / VFIO-independent
portion of this that is before any consideration of TDISP LOCKED and RUN
states. It only deals with PCI device-authentication, link encryption
management, and is independent of any confidential VM. Then there is the
whole "assignable device" piece that is squarely KVM/VFIO territory.

Theoretically one could stop at link encryption setup and never proceed
with the rest. That is, assuming the platform allows for IDE protected
traffic to flow in the "T=0" (shared world device) case.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-29  0:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-23 13:21 [RFC PATCH 00/21] Secure VFIO, TDISP, SEV TIO Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] tsm-report: Rename module to reflect what it does Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 22:17   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-08-28 13:49   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-08-30  0:13   ` Dan Williams
2024-09-02  1:29     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] pci/doe: Define protocol types and make those public Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 22:18   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-08-30  2:15   ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] pci: Define TEE-IO bit in PCIe device capabilities Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 22:19   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-08-28 13:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-08-30  2:21   ` Dan Williams
2024-08-30  4:04     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30 21:37       ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] PCI/IDE: Define Integrity and Data Encryption (IDE) extended capability Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 22:28   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-08-28 14:24   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-08-30  2:41   ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] crypto/ccp: Make some SEV helpers public Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30  2:45   ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] crypto: ccp: Enable SEV-TIO feature in the PSP when supported Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 14:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-03 21:27   ` Dan Williams
2024-09-05  2:29     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-05 17:40       ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] pci/tdisp: Introduce tsm module Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-27 12:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-28  3:00     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 23:42       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-29  0:00         ` Dan Williams [this message]
2024-08-29  0:09           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-29  0:20             ` Dan Williams
2024-08-29 12:03               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-29  4:57         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-29 12:07           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02  0:52             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 15:04   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-02  6:50   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2024-09-02  7:26     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-03 23:51   ` Dan Williams
2024-09-04 11:13     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-04 23:28       ` Dan Williams
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] crypto/ccp: Implement SEV TIO firmware interface Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 15:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] kvm: Export kvm_vm_set_mem_attributes Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] vfio: Export helper to get vfio_device from fd Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: SEV: Add TIO VMGEXIT and bind TDI Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-29 10:08   ` Xu Yilun
2024-08-30  4:00     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30  7:02       ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-02  1:24         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-13 13:50   ` Zhi Wang
2024-09-13 22:08     ` Dan Williams
2024-09-14  2:47       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-14  5:19         ` Zhi Wang
2024-09-18 10:45           ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-20  3:41             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: IOMMUFD: MEMFD: Map private pages Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-26  8:39   ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-26 12:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-29  9:34       ` Xu Yilun
2024-08-29 12:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30  3:47           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30 12:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-02  1:09               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-02 23:52                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03  0:03                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-03  0:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-30  5:20           ` Xu Yilun
2024-08-30 12:36             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-03 20:34               ` Dan Williams
2024-09-04  0:02                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-04  0:59                   ` Dan Williams
2024-09-05  8:29                     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-05 12:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-05 12:07                         ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-05 12:00                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-05 12:17                       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-05 12:23                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-05 20:53                           ` Dan Williams
2024-09-05 23:06                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06  2:46                               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-06 13:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-06  2:41                             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-27  2:27     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-27  2:31       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-15 21:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-20 21:10     ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-09-23  5:35       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-23  6:34         ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-09-23  8:24           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-23 16:02             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-23 23:52               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-24 12:07                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-25  8:44                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-09-25 15:41                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-09-23 20:53             ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-09-23 23:55               ` Tian, Kevin
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: X86: Handle private MMIO as shared Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30 16:57   ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-02  2:22     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-03  5:13       ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-06  3:31         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-09 10:07           ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-10  1:28             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] RFC: iommu/iommufd/amd: Add IOMMU_HWPT_TRUSTED flag, tweak DTE's DomainID, IOTLB Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-27 12:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] coco/sev-guest: Allow multiple source files in the driver Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] coco/sev-guest: Make SEV-to-PSP request helpers public Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] coco/sev-guest: Implement the guest side of things Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 15:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-14  7:19   ` Zhi Wang
2024-09-16  1:18     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] RFC: pci: Add BUS_NOTIFY_PCI_BUS_MASTER event Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] sev-guest: Stop changing encrypted page state for TDISP devices Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] pci: Allow encrypted MMIO mapping via sysfs Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-23 22:37   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-09-02  8:22     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-09-03 21:46       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-08-23 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] pci: Define pci_iomap_range_encrypted Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-28 20:43 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] Secure VFIO, TDISP, SEV TIO Dan Williams
2024-08-29 14:13   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-29 23:41     ` Dan Williams
2024-08-30  4:38       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2024-08-30 21:57         ` Dan Williams
2024-09-05  8:21     ` Tian, Kevin
2024-09-03 15:56 ` Sean Christopherson

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