From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
"Borislav Petkov (AMD)" <bp@alien8.de>,
Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
<aik@amd.com>, <elena.reshetova@intel.com>, <pgonda@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] configfs-tsm-report: Introduce TCB stability enumeration and watchdog
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 11:59:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <67042f7b5203b_964f229455@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94d6047e-3b7c-4bc1-819c-85c16ff85abf@intel.com>
Dave Hansen wrote:
> I figured I'd just write down what I think is the contract that we're
> trending towards:
>
> 1. Attestation includes a snapshot of the TCB, which includes the TDX
> module and microcode versions.
> 2. There is a record made of each attestation which includes those
> versions.
> 3. The machine owner is in control of the components of the TCB and may
> upgrade the components to a later version at any time but can not
> downgrade them.
> 4. If there is a security regression in a TCB component (say microcode
> version $V), any TD that ever attested with microcode version $V or
> any earlier version should be considered exposed to the regression.
> 5. The attestation record is the sole means of limiting the scope of
> the impact from the regression.
>
> The subtle part of that is that the attestation really isn't for a
> single version. It's fundamentally for that version or any later future
> version of the machine owner's choosing.
So, in summary per Alex's last note: "there is no operationally viable
way to be a confidential computing tenant in the cloud and distrust
updates from the platform vendor deployed at will by the cloud
operator".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-07 18:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-13 0:25 [PATCH 0/4] configfs-tsm-report: TCB Stability Dan Williams
2024-09-13 0:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] configfs-tsm: Namespace TSM report symbols Dan Williams
2024-09-13 0:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] coco/guest: Move shared guest CC infrastructure to drivers/virt/coco/guest/ Dan Williams
2024-09-13 0:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/tdx: Introduce guest global metadata retrieval infrastructure Dan Williams
2024-09-16 8:56 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-01 7:56 ` Dan Williams
2024-09-13 0:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] configfs-tsm-report: Introduce TCB stability enumeration and watchdog Dan Williams
2024-09-16 9:06 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-01 0:33 ` Dan Williams
2024-10-01 8:50 ` Alexander Graf
2024-10-04 21:36 ` Dan Williams
2024-10-07 8:33 ` Alexander Graf
2024-10-07 18:22 ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-07 18:59 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2024-10-07 19:43 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
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