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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov (AMD)" <bp@alien8.de>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	<aik@amd.com>, <elena.reshetova@intel.com>, <pgonda@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] configfs-tsm-report: Introduce TCB stability enumeration and watchdog
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 11:59:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67042f7b5203b_964f229455@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94d6047e-3b7c-4bc1-819c-85c16ff85abf@intel.com>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> I figured I'd just write down what I think is the contract that we're
> trending towards:
> 
>  1. Attestation includes a snapshot of the TCB, which includes the TDX
>     module and microcode versions.
>  2. There is a record made of each attestation which includes those
>     versions.
>  3. The machine owner is in control of the components of the TCB and may
>     upgrade the components to a later version at any time but can not
>     downgrade them.
>  4. If there is a security regression in a TCB component (say microcode
>     version $V), any TD that ever attested with microcode version $V or
>     any earlier version should be considered exposed to the regression.
>  5. The attestation record is the sole means of limiting the scope of
>     the impact from the regression.
> 
> The subtle part of that is that the attestation really isn't for a
> single version.  It's fundamentally for that version or any later future
> version of the machine owner's choosing.

So, in summary per Alex's last note: "there is no operationally viable
way to be a confidential computing tenant in the cloud and distrust
updates from the platform vendor deployed at will by the cloud
operator".

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-07 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-13  0:25 [PATCH 0/4] configfs-tsm-report: TCB Stability Dan Williams
2024-09-13  0:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] configfs-tsm: Namespace TSM report symbols Dan Williams
2024-09-13  0:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] coco/guest: Move shared guest CC infrastructure to drivers/virt/coco/guest/ Dan Williams
2024-09-13  0:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/tdx: Introduce guest global metadata retrieval infrastructure Dan Williams
2024-09-16  8:56   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-01  7:56     ` Dan Williams
2024-09-13  0:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] configfs-tsm-report: Introduce TCB stability enumeration and watchdog Dan Williams
2024-09-16  9:06   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-01  0:33     ` Dan Williams
2024-10-01  8:50   ` Alexander Graf
2024-10-04 21:36     ` Dan Williams
2024-10-07  8:33       ` Alexander Graf
2024-10-07 18:22         ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-07 18:59           ` Dan Williams [this message]
2024-10-07 19:43             ` Dionna Amalie Glaze

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