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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <x86@kernel.org>,
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	<sagis@google.com>, <vannapurve@google.com>, <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	<nik.borisov@suse.com>, <zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>,
	<seanjc@google.com>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	<kas@kernel.org>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2026 09:23:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6978f4999af8c_1d331006e@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXis76vQhWi3RvEB@intel.com>

Chao Gao wrote:
[..]
> >So, remove "compat_capable" ABI. Amend the "error" ABI documentation
> >with the details for avoiding failures and the risk of running updates
> >on configurations that support update but not collision avoidance.
> 
> Got it. I will modify this patch as follows:

Overall, looks good to me. You can add:

Reviewed-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>

...after a few additional fixups below:

> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-faux-tdx-host b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-faux-tdx-host
> index a3f155977016..0a68e68375fa 100644
> --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-faux-tdx-host
> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-faux-tdx-host
> @@ -29,3 +29,57 @@ Description:	(RO) Report the number of remaining updates that can be performed.
> 		4.2 "SEAMLDR.INSTALL" for more information. The documentation is
> 		available at:
> 		https://cdrdv2-public.intel.com/739045/intel-tdx-seamldr-interface-specification.pdf
> +
> +What:		/sys/devices/faux/tdx_host/firmware/seamldr_upload
> +Contact:	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev
> +Description:	(Directory) The seamldr_upload directory implements the
> +		fw_upload sysfs ABI, see
> +		Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-firmware for the general
> +		description of the attributes @data, @cancel, @error, @loading,
> +		@remaining_size, and @status. This ABI facilitates "Compatible
> +		TDX Module Updates". A compatible update is one that meets the
> +		following criteria:
> +
> +		   Does not interrupt or interfere with any current TDX
> +		   operation or TD VM.
> +
> +		   Does not invalidate any previously consumed Module metadata
> +		   values outside of the TEE_TCB_SVN_2 field (updated Security
> +		   Version Number) in TD Quotes.
> +
> +		   Does not require validation of new Module metadata fields. By
> +		   implication, new Module features and capabilities are only
> +		   available by installing the Module at reboot (BIOS or EFI
> +		   helper loaded).
> +
> +		See tdx_host/firmware/seamldr_upload/error for more details.
> +
> +What:		/sys/devices/faux/tdx_host/firmware/seamldr_upload/error
> +Contact:	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev
> +Description:	(RO) See Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-firmware for
> +		baseline expectations for this file. The <ERROR> part in the
> +		<STATUS>:<ERROR> format can be:
> +
> +		   "device-busy": Compatibility checks failed or not all CPUs
> +		                  are online
> +		   "flash-wearout": the number of updates reached the limit.
> +		   "read-write-error": Memory allocation failed.
> +		   "hw-error": Cannot communicate with P-SEAMLDR or TDX Module
> +		   "firmware-invalid": The TDX Module to be installed is invalid
> +		                       or other unexpected errors occurred.
> +
> +		"hw-error" or "firmware-invalid" may be fatal, causing all TDs
> +		and the TDX Module to be lost and preventing further TDX
> +		operations. This occurs when /sys/devices/faux/tdx_host/version
> +		becomes unreadable after update failures.

I would specify the exact unambiguous errno value that gets returned on
read when the version become indeterminate, like ENXIO.

> +		and the (previous) TDX Module stay running.
> +
> +		On certain earlier TDX Module versions, incompatible updates may
> +		not trigger "device-busy" errors but instead cause TD
> +		attestation failures.

I would just leave this out. It bitrots quickly and does not provide
any actionable information. This is not the kernel's responsibility...

> +
> +		See version_select_and_load.py [1] documentation for how to
> +		detect compatible updates and whether the current platform
> +		components catch errors or let them leak and cause potential TD
> +		attestation failures.
> +		[1]: https://github.com/intel/confidential-computing.tdx.tdx-module.binaries/blob/main/version_select_and_load.py

...that detail about what happens when compat detection is missing
belongs in the tooling documentation. That documentation does not exist
yet, so this link needs to be replaced with a pointer to documentation
before this goes upstream. I am assuming that we want to create an
actual package that distributions can pick up as project? It might be
worth going through the exercise of packaging the binaries and the tool
as an rpm or deb to get that work bootstrapped.
"version_select_and_load" probably wants a better name like "tdxctl" or
similar.

Note that a tdxctl project would also attract features related to TDX
Connect to wrap common flows around the tdx_host device sysfs ABIs.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-27 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:01   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:28   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 16:26   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  5:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:34   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:16     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 15:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:37   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:42     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 16:31       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:02         ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:03           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 16:37   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  8:04     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] coco/tdx-host: Introduce a "tdx_host" device Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 16:53     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28  3:24   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-29  7:26     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose TDX Module version Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:01   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:07     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29  7:38   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:05   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  5:58   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:03   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  9:46     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-29 16:08       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:55     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:59       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:38   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:04   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  8:08     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:23       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:36   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:21     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:18       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 12:15         ` Chao Gao
2026-02-03 15:41           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 16:12             ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 23:54             ` Chao Gao
2026-02-05 16:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05 16:37                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:50   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:54   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  4:01     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 16:35       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02  0:16         ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 13:55     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:06       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:57   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:30     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:56   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:07   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  0:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 14:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:02       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:00   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:30   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:07   ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-06 17:15   ` Xing, Cedric
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  0:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:17   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:21   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 11:28     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 22:33       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28  4:03   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:56     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02  3:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:01   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:31   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:42   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:43   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Log TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:45   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:11   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:53   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:32   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:33   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:14   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-04 10:03     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:41   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Extend sigstruct to 16KB Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:58   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 23:01   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:25     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 11:57       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] x86/virt/tdx: Avoid updates during update-sensitive operations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-26 22:14   ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-27 12:17     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-27 17:23       ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2026-01-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Sagi Shahar
2026-01-29  1:51   ` Chao Gao

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