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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/16] KVM: TDX: Add x86 ops for external spt cache
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:34:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <69bc12acb3eaf740bff12e8bd0334cd327876a20.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXFPNbCvKURxby1q@google.com>

On Wed, 2026-01-21 at 14:12 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> IMO, it's largely irrelevant for this discussion.  Bluntly, the code proposed
> here is simply bad.
> 

FWIW, I wasn't ecstatic about it, but was starting to doubt we could find a
better solution after a string of failed POCs. Will take this feedback under
consideration for the future.

>   S-EPT hugepage support just makes it worse.
> 
> The core issue is that the ownership of the pre-allocation cache is split across
> KVM and the TDX subsystem (and within KVM, between tdx.c and the MMU), which makes
> it extremely difficult to understand who is responsible for what, which in turn
> leads to brittle code, and sets the hugepage series up to fail, e.g. by unnecessarily
> mixing S-EPT page allocation with PAMT maintenance.q

...or require more extensive changes with relevant huge page related
justification, right? We are not defining uABI I think.

> 
> That aside, I generally agree with Dave.  
> 

Ok.

> The only caveat I'll throw in is that
> I do think we need to _at least_ consider how things will likely play out when
> all is said and done, otherwise we'll probably paint ourselves into a corner.

Well this is the tricky part then.

> E.g. we don't need to know exactly how S-EPT hugepage support will interact with
> DPAMT, but IMO we do need to be aware that KVM will need to demote pages outside
> of vCPU context, and thus will need to pre-allocate pages for PAMT without having
> a loaded/running vCPU.  That knowledge doesn't require active support in the
> DPAMT series, but it most definitely influences design decisions.

I see what you are saying here though. It depends on how you look at it a bit.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-21 22:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-21  0:51 [PATCH v4 00/16] TDX: Enable Dynamic PAMT Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 01/16] x86/tdx: Move all TDX error defines into <asm/shared/tdx_errno.h> Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25 22:30   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-25 22:44     ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-26 23:15       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-26 23:14     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 02/16] x86/tdx: Add helpers to check return status codes Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-24  8:56   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-24 19:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-25 23:07   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-26 23:26     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 03/16] x86/virt/tdx: Simplify tdmr_get_pamt_sz() Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-24  9:26   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-24 19:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-25  1:27       ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/16] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate page bitmap for Dynamic PAMT Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25  1:50   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 17:56     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-24  9:10   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-05 22:06     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-06  4:01       ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-06 17:00         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07  6:01           ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-07 14:41             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-08 12:53               ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-08 16:52                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-09  2:18                   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-09 16:05                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-12  0:24                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/16] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate reference counters for PAMT memory Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 06/16] x86/virt/tdx: Improve PAMT refcounts allocation for sparse memory Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25  3:15   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 20:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27 15:57       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-01 22:14         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-26 14:45   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-26 20:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27  7:36       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-12-11  0:07         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27 16:04       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 07/16] x86/virt/tdx: Add tdx_alloc/free_page() helpers Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25  8:09   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 22:28     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29  1:19       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 17:18         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29 19:09           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 19:12             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-26  1:21   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-26 22:28     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27 12:29   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-12-01 22:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27 16:11   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-12-01 22:39     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-02  7:38       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-12-02 20:02         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-03 13:46           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-03 13:48             ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-12-03 15:41               ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-03 18:15                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-03 18:21                   ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-03 19:59                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-03 20:13                       ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-03 21:39                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-03 21:40                           ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-08  9:15   ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-08 20:27     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 23:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 23:25     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 23:40     ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 08/16] x86/virt/tdx: Optimize " Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 09/16] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory for TD control structures Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25  9:11   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 10/16] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory for vCPU " Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-25  9:14   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 11/16] KVM: TDX: Add x86 ops for external spt cache Rick Edgecombe
2026-01-17  0:53   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  2:31     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20  8:42       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-20  9:18         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 10:00           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-20 19:53     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 22:12       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 22:34         ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 12/16] x86/virt/tdx: Add helpers to allow for pre-allocating pages Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-26  3:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26  5:21     ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 22:33     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-27  2:38       ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-20  7:10         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-20  7:46           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20  8:01             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-17  1:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21  0:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21  0:58     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 13/16] KVM: TDX: Handle PAMT allocation in fault path Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-26  5:56   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 22:33     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 14/16] KVM: TDX: Reclaim PAMT memory Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-26  8:53   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 22:58     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 15/16] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Dynamic PAMT Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-21  0:51 ` [PATCH v4 16/16] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX's " Rick Edgecombe
2025-11-26 10:33   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-26 20:05     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-11-24 20:18 ` [PATCH v4 00/16] TDX: Enable " Sagi Shahar
2025-11-25 20:19 ` Vishal Annapurve

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