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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	<aik@amd.com>, <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	<yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>, <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	<alistair23@gmail.com>, <lukas@wunner.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Roman Kisel <romank@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/19] device core: Introduce confidential device acceptance
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 18:27:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <69c48b682e6fe_7ee310068@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260325115607.GB67624@nvidia.com>

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
[..]
> > Right, the potential to see in-between states concerns me because TSM
> > uAPIs would have fully enabled the device to wreak havoc, meanwhile
> > dev->trust is still showing the device at some lower level of trust. So
> > I think trust modification needs to be synchronous with privileges
> > granted/revoked.
> 
> If an iommu is present then the device will still be blocked even
> though it is in RUN, I'm not sure this synchronicity is so important.

Oh, maybe we are just quibbling about where the mechanism lives. The
"unblock DMA" step in current preliminary patches is currently behind
the "struct pci_tsm_ops::accept()" op which also handles transitioning
the device to RUN / T=1. It is a bus callback.

However, if the IOMMU layer is enlightened to block/unblock DMA on trust
setting then the TDISP "unblock DMA" step can be factored out of this bus
callback and into the IOMMU trust responder.

So device could enter T=1 way in advance of the "unblock DMA" event.

I assume this would also expect that encrypted MMIO mappings are also
not established while trust is less than "TCB"? That would require some
additional enabling to catch attempts to establish an encrypted mapping
that the hardware is prepared for, but dev->trust is not, all without
needing to modify the driver to worry about this difference. Drivers
would just see ioremap() failure in this case.

A bit more work, but yes, that is a cleaner separation of concerns.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-26  1:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-03  0:01 [PATCH v2 00/19] PCI/TSM: TEE I/O infrastructure Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/19] PCI/TSM: Report active IDE streams per host bridge Dan Williams
2026-03-09 16:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/19] device core: Fix kernel-doc warnings in base.h Dan Williams
2026-03-09 16:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-12 14:45     ` Greg KH
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/19] device core: Introduce confidential device acceptance Dan Williams
2026-03-09 16:42   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-12 14:44   ` Greg KH
2026-03-13  4:11     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-13 12:18       ` Greg KH
2026-03-13 18:53         ` Dan Williams
2026-03-13 19:07           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-13 13:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-13 19:56         ` Dan Williams
2026-03-13 20:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-14  1:32             ` Dan Williams
2026-03-23 18:14               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-24  2:18                 ` Dan Williams
2026-03-24 12:36                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-25  4:13                     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-25 11:56                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-26  1:27                         ` Dan Williams [this message]
2026-03-26 12:00                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-26 15:00                             ` Greg KH
2026-03-26 18:31                             ` Dan Williams
2026-03-26 19:28                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/19] modules: Document the global async_probe parameter Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/19] device core: Autoprobe considered harmful? Dan Williams
2026-03-09 16:58   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/19] PCI/TSM: Add Device Security (TVM Guest) LOCK operation support Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/19] PCI/TSM: Add Device Security (TVM Guest) ACCEPT " Dan Williams
2026-03-03  7:15   ` Baolu Lu
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/19] PCI/TSM: Add "evidence" support Dan Williams
2026-03-03  3:14   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-03 10:16   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-03-03 16:38   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-03-13 10:07   ` Xu Yilun
2026-03-13 18:06     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-14 18:12   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-17  1:45     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-19  0:00       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-20  2:50         ` Dan Williams
2026-03-17 18:14     ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-18  7:56       ` Dan Williams
2026-03-23 18:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-14 18:37   ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-16 20:13     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-16 23:02       ` Dan Williams
2026-03-17 14:13         ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-18  7:22           ` Dan Williams
2026-03-17 18:24   ` Lukas Wunner
2026-03-18  7:41     ` Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/19] PCI/TSM: Support creating encrypted MMIO descriptors via TDISP Report Dan Williams
2026-03-04 17:14   ` dan.j.williams
2026-03-13  9:57     ` Xu Yilun
2026-03-05  4:46   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-03-13 10:23     ` Xu Yilun
2026-03-13 13:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-17  5:13         ` Xu Yilun
2026-03-24  3:26           ` Dan Williams
2026-03-24 12:38             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-16  5:19       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-03-23 18:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-26 23:38           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-03-27 11:49             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/19] x86, swiotlb: Teach swiotlb to skip "accepted" devices Dan Williams
2026-03-03  9:07   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-03-13 10:26     ` Xu Yilun
2026-03-03  0:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/19] x86, dma: Allow accepted devices to map private memory Dan Williams
2026-03-03  7:36   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 12/19] x86, ioremap, resource: Support IORES_DESC_ENCRYPTED for encrypted PCI MMIO Dan Williams
2026-03-19 15:34   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 13/19] samples/devsec: Introduce a PCI device-security bus + endpoint sample Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 14/19] samples/devsec: Add sample IDE establishment Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 15/19] samples/devsec: Add sample TSM bind and guest_request flows Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 16/19] samples/devsec: Introduce a "Device Security TSM" sample driver Dan Williams
2026-03-27  8:44   ` Lai, Yi
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 17/19] tools/testing/devsec: Add a script to exercise samples/devsec/ Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 18/19] samples/devsec: Add evidence support Dan Williams
2026-03-03  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 19/19] tools/testing/devsec: Add basic evidence retrieval validation Dan Williams
2026-03-03  9:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/19] PCI/TSM: TEE I/O infrastructure Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-03-03 22:01   ` dan.j.williams

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