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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: dan.j.williams@intel.com, "Lange, Jon" <jlange@microsoft.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	john.starks@microsoft.com, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: "Paravisor" Feature Enumeration
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 16:36:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <71f42b9e-793b-4f8d-8159-a6ca7800f292@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <695c50eee68e3_4b7a100e8@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch>

On 1/5/26 16:01, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote:
> Dave Hansen wrote:
...
>> 	X86_FEATURE_KVM_CLOCKSOURCE in arm,pvclock
>> or
>> 	X86_FEATURE_KVM_STEAL_TIME  in arm,kvm-steal-time
>>
>> As far as I can tell, these aliases are all done ad-hoc. This approach
>> could obviously be extended to paravisor features, but it would probably
>> be on the slow side to do it for each new feature.
> 
> "Slow" as in standardization time?

Yes.

...
>> Is there anything stopping us from carving out a chunk of CPUID for
>> this purpose?
> 
> At what point does an ACPI property become a CPUID? In other words if
> there is an ACPI / DeviceTree enumeration of CPU/platform capabilities
> in firmware that can supsersede / extend native enumeration, does it
> matter if x86 maps that to extended CPUID space and ARM maps it however
> is convenient?
> 
> I have no problem with an extended CPUID concept, just trying to
> understand more about the assumptions.

The way it _seems_ to have worked until now is that KVM/x86 has led the
way by defining a CPUID bit for things like KVM_CLOCK of KVM_STEAL_TIME.
Then, the ARM folks came along and DeviceTree enumerations. Last, ACPI
came along with a way to package up all the DeviceTree enumerations into
a single table.

So, maybe that's a hack on a hack on a hack and we should just start
with ACPI this time. That would certainly make this pretty straightforward.

I'd love to hear a take from the x86/KVM folks, though.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-06  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-05 21:42 "Paravisor" Feature Enumeration Dave Hansen
2026-01-06  0:01 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-06  0:10   ` [EXTERNAL] " Jon Lange
2026-01-06  0:46     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-06  0:36   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-01-06  1:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06  3:24     ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-06  1:44 ` Andrew Cooper
2026-01-06  2:12   ` [EXTERNAL] " Jon Lange
2026-01-06 22:39     ` Andrew Cooper
2026-01-06 23:01       ` Jon Lange
2026-01-07  1:58         ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-07  2:48           ` Jon Lange
2026-01-07 18:42             ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08  6:53               ` Jon Lange
2026-01-07 12:06       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-06 19:17   ` Edgecombe, Rick P

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