From: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: dan.j.williams@intel.com, Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/21] Runtime TDX Module update support
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 17:54:40 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGtprH8AbW4P2t-wHVcTdfLwf3SJK5mxP1CbsMHTgMYEpLiWjQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10786082-94e0-454e-a581-7778b3a22e26@intel.com>
On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 2:19 PM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/24/25 14:12, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote:
> >> The SGX solution, btw, was to at least ensure forward progress (CPUSVN
> >> update) when the last enclave goes away. So new enclaves aren't
> >> *prevented* from starting but the window when the first one starts
> >> (enclave count going from 0->1) is leveraged to do the update.
> > The status quo does ensure forward progress. The TD does get built and
> > the update does complete, just the small matter of TD attestation
> > failures, right?
I would think that it's not a "small" problem if confidential
workloads on the hosts are not able to pass attestation.
>
> Oh, yeah, for sure.
>
> If we do _nothing_ in the kernel (no build vs. module update
> synchronization), then the downside is being exposed to attestation
> failures if userspace either also does nothing or has bugs.
>
> That's actually, by far, my preferred solution to this whole mess:
> Userspace plays stupid games, userspace wins stupid prizes.
>
IIUC, enforcing "Avoid updates during update sensitive times" is not
that complex and will ensure to avoid any issues with user space
logic.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-25 0:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-01 2:52 [PATCH v2 00/21] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-10-30 21:54 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-10-30 23:05 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-31 14:31 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:52 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Handle TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2025-10-28 2:53 ` Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2025-10-01 2:53 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2025-10-14 15:32 ` [PATCH v2 00/21] Runtime TDX Module update support Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-15 8:54 ` Reshetova, Elena
2025-10-15 14:19 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-16 6:48 ` Reshetova, Elena
2025-10-15 15:02 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-16 6:46 ` Reshetova, Elena
2025-10-16 17:47 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-17 10:08 ` Reshetova, Elena
2025-10-18 0:01 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-21 13:42 ` Reshetova, Elena
2025-10-22 7:14 ` Chao Gao
2025-10-22 15:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-23 20:31 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-23 21:10 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-23 22:00 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-24 7:43 ` Chao Gao
2025-10-24 18:02 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-24 19:40 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-24 20:00 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-24 20:14 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-24 21:09 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-24 20:13 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-24 21:12 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-24 21:19 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-25 0:54 ` Vishal Annapurve [this message]
2025-10-25 1:42 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-25 11:55 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-25 12:01 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-26 21:30 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-26 22:01 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-27 18:53 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-28 0:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-28 2:13 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-28 17:00 ` Erdem Aktas
2025-10-29 0:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-29 2:17 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-29 13:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-30 17:01 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-31 2:53 ` Chao Gao
2025-11-19 22:44 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-11-20 2:47 ` Chao Gao
2025-10-28 23:48 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-28 20:29 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-28 20:32 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-31 16:55 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 17:57 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-11-01 2:18 ` Chao Gao
2025-11-01 2:05 ` Chao Gao
2025-11-12 14:09 ` Chao Gao
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