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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>
Cc: Jacky Li <jackyli@google.com>,
	Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	isaku.yamahata@intel.com,  kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, isaku.yamahata@gmail.com,
	 Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	erdemaktas@google.com,  Sagi Shahar <sagis@google.com>,
	David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	 Zhi Wang <zhi.wang.linux@gmail.com>,
	chen.bo@intel.com, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	 Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
	Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	 Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	Yuan Yao <yuan.yao@linux.intel.com>,
	 Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@intel.com>,
	 Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	wei.w.wang@intel.com, Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] KVM: gmem: protect kvm_mmu_invalidate_end()
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:42:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZON31BHykA2JqquC@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL715WL9TJzDxZE8_gfhUQFGtOAydG0kyuSbzkqWTs3pc57j7A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> +Jacky Li
> 
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 3:45 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > > On a separate note here, the SEV hook blasting WBINVD is still causing
> > > serious performance degradation issues with SNP triggered via
> > > AutoNUMA/numad/KSM, etc. With reference to previous discussions related to
> > > it, we have plans to replace WBINVD with CLFLUSHOPT.
> >
> > Isn't the flush unnecessary when freeing shared memory?  My recollection is that
> > the problematic scenario is when encrypted memory is freed back to the host,
> > because KVM already flushes when potentially encrypted mapping memory into the
> > guest.
> >
> > With SNP+guest_memfd, private/encrypted memory should be unreachabled via the
> > hva-based mmu_notifiers.  gmem should have full control of the page lifecycles,
> > i.e. can get the kernel virtual address as appropriated, and so it SNP shouldn't
> > need the nuclear option.
> >
> > E.g. something like this?
> >
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/svm/sev.c b/arch/x86/kvm/svm/sev.c
> > index 07756b7348ae..1c6828ae391d 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/svm/sev.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/svm/sev.c
> > @@ -2328,7 +2328,7 @@ static void sev_flush_encrypted_page(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, void *va)
> >
> >  void sev_guest_memory_reclaimed(struct kvm *kvm)
> >  {
> > -       if (!sev_guest(kvm))
> > +       if (!sev_guest(kvm) || sev_snp_guest(kvm))
> >                 return;
> >
> >         wbinvd_on_all_cpus();
> 
> I hope this is the final solution :)
> 
> So, short answer: no.
> 
> SNP+guest_memfd prevent untrusted host user space from directly
> modifying the data, this is good enough for CVE-2022-0171, but there
> is no such guarantee that the host kernel in some scenarios could
> access the data and generate dirty caches. In fact, AFAIC, SNP VM does
> not track whether each page is previously shared, isn't it? If a page
> was previously shared and was written by the host kernel or devices
> before it was changed to private. No one tracks it and dirty caches
> are there!

There's an unstated assumption that KVM will do CLFLUSHOPT (if necessary) for
SEV-* guests when allocating into guest_memfd().

> So, to avoid any corner case situations like the above, it seems
> currently we have to retain the property: flushing the cache when the
> guest memory mapping leaves KVM NPT.

What I'm saying is that for guests whose private memory is backed by guest_memfd(),
which is all SNP guests, it should be impossible for memory that is reachable via
mmu_notifiers to be mapped in KVM's MMU as private.  So yes, KVM needs to flush
when memory is freed from guest_memfd(), but not for memory that is reclaimed by
mmu_notifiers, i.e. not for sev_guest_memory_reclaimed().

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-21 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-15 17:18 [PATCH 0/8] KVM: gmem: Adding hooks for SEV and TDX isaku.yamahata
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 1/8] KVM: gmem: Make kvm_gmem_bind return EBADF on wrong fd isaku.yamahata
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 2/8] KVM: gmem: removed duplicated kvm_gmem_init() isaku.yamahata
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 3/8] KVM: gmem: Fix kvm_gmem_issue_arch_invalidate() isaku.yamahata
2023-08-18 22:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 4/8] KVM: gmem: protect kvm_mmu_invalidate_end() isaku.yamahata
2023-08-16 20:28   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-08-18 17:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-18 20:32     ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-08-18 22:44       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-19  2:08         ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-08-21 14:42           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-08-21 21:44           ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-08-22 22:30             ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-08-22 23:17             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-31 16:50               ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 5/8] KVM: gmem, x86: Add gmem hook for initializing private memory isaku.yamahata
2023-08-16 20:30   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 6/8] KVM: gmem, x86: Add gmem hook for invalidating " isaku.yamahata
2023-08-16  0:42   ` kernel test robot
2023-08-16 20:37   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-10-10  9:17   ` Xu Yilun
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 7/8] KVM: gmem: Avoid race with kvm_gmem_release and mmu notifier isaku.yamahata
2023-08-18 18:15   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-15 17:18 ` [PATCH 8/8] RFC: KVM: gmem: Guarantee the order of destruction isaku.yamahata
2023-08-18 23:14 ` [PATCH 0/8] KVM: gmem: Adding hooks for SEV and TDX Sean Christopherson

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