Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86/random: Retry on RDSEED failure

["Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 09:07:56AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> What about simply treating boot-time initialization of the /dev/random
> state as special.  That is, on x86, if the hardware promises that
> RDSEED or RDRAND is available, we use them to initialization our RNG
> state at boot.  On bare metal, there can't be anyone else trying to
> exhaust the on-chip RNG's entropy supply, so if RDSEED or RDRAND
> aren't working available --- panic, since the hardware is clearly
> busted.

This is the first thing I suggested here: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHmME9qsfOdOEHHw_MOBmt6YAtncbbqP9LPK2dRjuOp1CrHzRA@mail.gmail.com/

But Elena found this dissatisfying because we still can't guarantee new
material later.

> On a guest OS, if confidential compute is enabled, and if RDSEED and
> RDRAND don't work after N retries, and we know CC is enabled, panic,
> since the kernel can't provide the promised security gaurantees, and
> the CC developers and users are cordially invited to sharpen their
> pitchforks and to send their tender regards to the Intel RNG
> engineers.

Yea, maybe bubbling the RDRAND DoS up to another DoS in the CoCo case is
a good tradeoff that will produce the right pitchforkers without
breaking anything real.

> For non-confidential compute guests, the question is what is the
> appropriate reaction if another VM, possibly belonging to a different
> user/customer, is carrying out a RDRAND DOS attack.  I'd argue that in
> these cases, if the guest VM is using virtio-random, then the host's
> /dev/random should be able to cover for cases of Intel RNG exhaustion,
> and allowing other customer to be able to prevent other user's VM's
> from being able to boot is the the greater evil, so we shouldn't treat
> boot-time RDRAND/RDSEED failures as panic-worthy.

The non-CoCo case is fine, because guests can trust hosts, so things are
as they have been forever.

Jason