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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
Cc: <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <seanjc@google.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
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	<elena.reshetova@intel.com>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 09:03:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEeEbXZglywwo1Rm@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <175eedc5-d82a-4b3a-bce6-2caf625597ca@suse.com>

On Mon, Jun 09, 2025 at 11:02:49AM +0300, Nikolay Borisov wrote:
>
>
>On 6/9/25 10:53, Chao Gao wrote:
>> > > +config INTEL_TDX_MODULE_UPDATE
>> > > +	bool "Intel TDX module runtime update"
>> > > +	depends on INTEL_TDX_HOST
>> > > +	help
>> > > +	  This enables the kernel to support TDX module runtime update. This allows
>> > > +	  the admin to upgrade the TDX module to a newer one without the need to
>> > > +	  terminate running TDX guests.
>> > > +
>> > > +	  If unsure, say N.
>> > > +
>> > 
>> > WHy should this be conditional?
>> > 
>> 
>> Good question. I don't have a strong reason, but here are my considerations:
>> 
>> 1. Runtime updates aren't strictly necessary for TDX functionalities. Users can
>>     update the TDX module via BIOS updates and reboot if service downtime isn't
>>     a concern.
>> 
>> 2. Selecting TDX module updates requires selecting FW_UPLOAD and FW_LOADER,
>>     which I think will significantly increase the kernel size if FW_UPLOAD/LOADER
>>     won't otherwise be selected.
>
>If size is a consideration (but given the size of machines that are likely to
>run CoCo guests I'd say it's not) then don't make this a user-configurable
>option but rather make it depend on TDX being selected and
>FW_UPLOAD/FW_LOADER being selected.

But in almost all existing cases, 'select FW_UPLOAD/LOADER' is used rather than
'depends on FW_UPLOAD/LOADER'. You can verify this by running

	find . -name 'Kconfig' -exec grep -E 'FW_UPLOAD|FW_LOADER$' {} +

>
>I'd rather keep the user visible options to a minimum, especially something
>such as this update functionality.
>
>But in any case I'd like to hear other opinions as well.

Yeah, let's see what others think.

<snip>

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-23  9:52 [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44   ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2025-06-04 12:22   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-04 13:14     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-05  0:14       ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2025-06-03 11:22   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  7:53     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-09  8:02       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10  1:03         ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-06-10  6:52           ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10 15:02             ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-11 13:59   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14  9:21     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Introduce a "tdx" subsystem and "tsm" device Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-05  8:34     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 20:17       ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Export tdx module attributes via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:49   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-10  1:37     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-11  2:09       ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11  7:45         ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Add a helper to read P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-07-29  4:55   ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-29 10:00     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 21:01     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01  2:07       ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-01 15:24         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04  7:00           ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05  0:17             ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05  0:47               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-05  4:02                 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 13:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 16:33                     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-06  3:03                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-16 22:55   ` Sagi Shahar
2025-06-17  7:55     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:04   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  2:37     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:36   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  2:10     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX module Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Handle TD-Preserving update failures Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX cpu init after updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new module Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Enable TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-11 19:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Sagi Shahar
2025-07-11  8:04 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-11 14:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 10:26     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-15  0:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16  7:30     ` Chao Gao

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