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From: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
To: dan.j.williams@intel.com
Cc: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, eddie.dong@intel.com,
	kirill.shutemov@intel.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	kai.huang@intel.com, isaku.yamahata@intel.com,
	elena.reshetova@intel.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2025 15:00:42 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJBamtHaXpeu+ZR6@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <688cdc169163a_32afb100b3@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch>

> > > - Create drivers/virt/coco/tdx-tsm/bus.c for registering the tdx_subsys.
> > >   The tdx_subsys has sysfs attributes like "version" (host and guest
> > >   need this, but have different calls to get at the information) and
> > >   "firmware" (only host needs that). So the common code will take sysfs
> > >   groups passed as a parameter.
> > > 
> > > - The "tdx_tsm" device which is unused in this patch set can be
> > 
> > It is used in this patch, Chao creates tdx module 'version' attr on this
> > device. But I assume you have different opinion: tdx_subsys represents
> > the whole tdx_module and should have the 'version', and tdx_tsm is a
> > sub device dedicate for TDX Connect, is it?
> 
> The main reason for a tdx_tsm device in addition to the subsys is to
> allow for deferred attachment.

I've found another reason, to dynamic control tdx tsm's lifecycle.
tdx_tsm driver uses seamcalls so its functionality relies on tdx module
initialization & vmxon. The former is a one way path but vmxon can be
dynamic off by KVM. vmxoff is fatal to tdx_tsm driver especially on some
can-not-fail destroy path.

So my idea is to remove tdx_tsm device (thus disables tdx_tsm driver) on
vmxoff.

  KVM                TDX core            TDX TSM driver
  -----------------------------------------------------
  tdx_disable()
                     tdx_tsm dev del
                                         driver.remove()
  vmxoff()

An alternative is to move vmxon/off management out of KVM, that requires
a lot of complex work IMHO, Chao & I both prefer not to touch it.


That said, we still want to "deal with bus/driver binding logic" so faux
is not a good fit.

> 
> Now, that said, the faux_device infrastructure has arrived since this
> all started and *could* replace tdx_subsys. The only concern is whether
> the tdx_tsm driver ever needs to do probe deferral to wait for IOMMU or
> PCI initialization to happen first.

The tdx_tsm driver needs to wait for IOMMU/PCI initialization...

> 
> If probe deferral is needed that requires a bus, if probe can always be
> synchronous with TDX module init then faux_device could work.

... but doesn't see need for TDX Module early init now. Again TDX Module
init requires vmxon, so it can't be earlier than KVM init, nor the
IOMMU/PCI init. So probe synchronous with TDX module init should be OK.

But considering the tdx tsm's lifecycle concern, I still don't prefer
faux.

Thanks,
Yilun

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-04  7:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-23  9:52 [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44   ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2025-06-04 12:22   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-04 13:14     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-05  0:14       ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2025-06-03 11:22   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  7:53     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-09  8:02       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10  1:03         ` Chao Gao
2025-06-10  6:52           ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10 15:02             ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-11 13:59   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14  9:21     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Introduce a "tdx" subsystem and "tsm" device Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-05  8:34     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 20:17       ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Export tdx module attributes via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:49   ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-10  1:37     ` Chao Gao
2025-06-11  2:09       ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11  7:45         ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Add a helper to read P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-07-29  4:55   ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-29 10:00     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 21:01     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01  2:07       ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-01 15:24         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04  7:00           ` Xu Yilun [this message]
2025-08-05  0:17             ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05  0:47               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-05  4:02                 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 13:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 16:33                     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-06  3:03                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-16 22:55   ` Sagi Shahar
2025-06-17  7:55     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:04   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  2:37     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:36   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09  2:10     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX module Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Handle TD-Preserving update failures Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX cpu init after updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new module Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Enable TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-11 19:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Sagi Shahar
2025-07-11  8:04 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-11 14:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 10:26     ` Chao Gao
2025-07-15  0:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16  7:30     ` Chao Gao

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