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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>, "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	 "kas@kernel.org" <kas@kernel.org>,
	"binbin.wu@linux.intel.com" <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	 "x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	 "sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com"
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	 "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	 "dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy@intel.com>,
	Peter Fang <peter.fang@intel.com>,
	 "tglx@kernel.org" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	 "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] tdx-guest: Make Quote buffer size dynamic
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2026 09:43:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anyiwqi9i0NSv0QW@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86d532f33816cd4fa3e29c40079a6003abf89324.camel@intel.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2026, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> On Wed, 2026-08-12 at 07:08 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > >   |Normal quote    |Migration quote |Report size|Quote size|uAPI location  |
> > > -|----------------|----------------|-----------|----------|---------------|
> > > 1|Platform scoped |Platform scoped |Grows      |Grows     |TDX host driver|
> > 
> > With my KVM hat on, this option looks very attractive.
> > 
> > And with the caveat that I'm most definitely not an attestation expert, from a
> > separate of concerns perspective, IMO it seems like the report should contain
> > the TD-specific information while the quote just wraps that information in
> > platform-specific goo.
> > 
> > In other words, to me, TD-scoped quotes feel like a hack that was thrown in to
> > avoid having to modify the guest because y'all didn't plan ahead.
> 
> Caveman crypto person here too. It seems scattered and makes me similarly
> suspicious about some lack of planning. But I kind of came to a different
> conclusion on what went wrong.
> 
> It seems to me that from the overall solution level, the report should never
> have had the details in it. It should just be some nonce or some type of thing
> that can tie the guest request to the quote that it ends up getting
> back. Doesn't it seem weird to get a bunch of details from the TDX module, then
> pass them from the guest to host KVM to host userspace then back to the TDX
> module... which already had all those details?

Hmm, my mental model of this is that the report contains the "real" payload, i.e.
the metadata describing what is running and whatnot, while the quote effectively
signs the payload to prove the provenance of the report.  That's why I view the
report as TD-specific (what's running) and the quote as platform-specific (provides
root of trust).

> My understanding was that the original SGX attestation was a complicator of the
> design of this stuff. Because I'm not sure that SGX had all those details about
> the TD. In fact I can't see how it could have. Is that right Peter? So it needs
> them all to be passed in. All the extra validations etc of this shuffling is
> TDX's problems to deal with, but for Linux, it would be at least a lot less
> confusing if there was not two things that have the TD details in them.
> 
> That said, from KVM POV, (1) kicks the attestation out of KVM. I see the
> benefit. But a TD quote is a TD scoped operation in concept. To me at least.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-12 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-29 12:29 [PATCH v3 0/4] tdx-guest: Make Quote buffer size dynamic Peter Fang
2026-07-29 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] x86/tdx: Add helper to query maximum TD Quote size Peter Fang
2026-07-29 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] virt: tdx-guest: Calculate the Quote buffer size safely Peter Fang
2026-07-29 18:29   ` Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2026-07-29 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] virt: tdx-guest: Use a variable to store the Quote buffer size Peter Fang
2026-07-29 18:47   ` Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2026-07-29 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] virt: tdx-guest: Allocate Quote buffer dynamically Peter Fang
2026-07-29 21:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] tdx-guest: Make Quote buffer size dynamic Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-11 22:40   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-12 14:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-12 16:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-12 16:43         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-08-12 17:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P

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