From: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, eddie.dong@intel.com,
kirill.shutemov@intel.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
dan.j.williams@intel.com, kai.huang@intel.com,
isaku.yamahata@intel.com, elena.reshetova@intel.com,
rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 09:52:02 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e969d071-1161-4323-89e1-8a358b3760b3@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEeEbXZglywwo1Rm@intel.com>
On 6/10/25 04:03, Chao Gao wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 09, 2025 at 11:02:49AM +0300, Nikolay Borisov wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/9/25 10:53, Chao Gao wrote:
>>>>> +config INTEL_TDX_MODULE_UPDATE
>>>>> + bool "Intel TDX module runtime update"
>>>>> + depends on INTEL_TDX_HOST
>>>>> + help
>>>>> + This enables the kernel to support TDX module runtime update. This allows
>>>>> + the admin to upgrade the TDX module to a newer one without the need to
>>>>> + terminate running TDX guests.
>>>>> +
>>>>> + If unsure, say N.
>>>>> +
>>>>
>>>> WHy should this be conditional?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question. I don't have a strong reason, but here are my considerations:
>>>
>>> 1. Runtime updates aren't strictly necessary for TDX functionalities. Users can
>>> update the TDX module via BIOS updates and reboot if service downtime isn't
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>> 2. Selecting TDX module updates requires selecting FW_UPLOAD and FW_LOADER,
>>> which I think will significantly increase the kernel size if FW_UPLOAD/LOADER
>>> won't otherwise be selected.
>>
>> If size is a consideration (but given the size of machines that are likely to
>> run CoCo guests I'd say it's not) then don't make this a user-configurable
>> option but rather make it depend on TDX being selected and
>> FW_UPLOAD/FW_LOADER being selected.
>
> But in almost all existing cases, 'select FW_UPLOAD/LOADER' is used rather than
> 'depends on FW_UPLOAD/LOADER'. You can verify this by running
>
> find . -name 'Kconfig' -exec grep -E 'FW_UPLOAD|FW_LOADER$' {} +
Then just have TDX select FW_UPLOAD/FW_LOADER and be done with it.
Still, let's hear other opinions but in this case I'd say size
considerations aren't major so let's make it simpler for the user.
>
>>
>> I'd rather keep the user visible options to a minimum, especially something
>> such as this update functionality.
>>
>> But in any case I'd like to hear other opinions as well.
>
> Yeah, let's see what others think.
>
> <snip>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-10 6:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-23 9:52 [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2025-06-04 12:22 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-04 13:14 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-05 0:14 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2025-06-03 11:22 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 7:53 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-09 8:02 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10 1:03 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-10 6:52 ` Nikolay Borisov [this message]
2025-06-10 15:02 ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-11 13:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 9:21 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Introduce a "tdx" subsystem and "tsm" device Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-05 8:34 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 20:17 ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Export tdx module attributes via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:49 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-10 1:37 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-11 2:09 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11 7:45 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Add a helper to read P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-07-29 4:55 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-29 10:00 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 21:01 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01 2:07 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-01 15:24 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 7:00 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05 0:17 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 0:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-05 4:02 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 13:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 16:33 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-06 3:03 ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-16 22:55 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-06-17 7:55 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:04 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 2:37 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:36 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 2:10 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX module Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Handle TD-Preserving update failures Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX cpu init after updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new module Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Enable TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-11 19:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Sagi Shahar
2025-07-11 8:04 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-11 14:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 10:26 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-15 0:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16 7:30 ` Chao Gao
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