From: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>, Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
Qinkun Bao <qinkun@google.com>,
Mikko Ylinen <mikko.ylinen@linux.intel.com>,
"Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan"
<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/3] tsm: Add TVM Measurement Sample Code
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:53:51 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1597630-88ad-4530-8f3c-5437b297e268@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <529689b46df6a99a4a284192c461d16f7bfbb9f0.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
On 9/14/2024 12:10 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-09-14 at 11:36 -0500, Xing, Cedric wrote:
>> I have considered this before. But I'm not sure how to
>> (define/describe criteria to) match an MR with its log format.
>
> This is already defined for every existing log format ... why would you
> have to define it again?
>
>> Also, MRs are arch dependent and may also vary from gen to gen. I'm
>> afraid this might bring in more chaos than order.
>
> I think I understand this. All measurement registers are simply
> equivalent to PCRs in terms of the mathematical definition of how they
> extend. Exactly what measurements go into a PCR and how they are
> logged is defined in various standards. The TCG ones are fairly fixed
> now, but if Intel wants to keep redefining the way its measurements
> work, the logical thing to do is tie this to a version number and make
> measuring the version the first log entry so the tools know how to
> differentiate.
>
I’m not sure if I understand this correctly. Are you suggesting we
continue using the event definitions from the existing TCG specs with
just a simple RTMR-to-PCR map? That’s exactly the issue we’re trying to
address. The current specs don’t cover new applications. For example,
how to describe the event of launching a container measured to a
specific SHA-256 digest in CoCo? Defining new event types would require
revising the specs, which is a high barrier for most applications. While
TPM has been widely adopted, its use has been mostly limited to pre-boot
scenarios. The lack of OS applications leveraging TPM is partly due to
this limitation IMHO.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-15 4:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-08 4:56 [PATCH RFC 0/3] tsm: Unified Measurement Register ABI for TVMs Cedric Xing
2024-09-08 4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] tsm: Add TVM Measurement Register Support Cedric Xing
2024-09-08 4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] tsm: Add RTMR event logging Cedric Xing
2024-09-08 4:56 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] tsm: Add TVM Measurement Sample Code Cedric Xing
2024-09-09 15:14 ` Jeff Johnson
2024-09-09 15:20 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-12 12:28 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-14 16:36 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-14 17:10 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15 4:53 ` Xing, Cedric [this message]
2024-10-24 17:21 ` Mikko Ylinen
2024-09-08 17:37 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] tsm: Unified Measurement Register ABI for TVMs Alexander Graf
2024-09-09 14:55 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-10 7:47 ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-10 18:07 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-10 17:09 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-11 4:01 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-11 6:56 ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-12 15:43 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13 9:43 ` Alexander Graf
2024-09-11 12:06 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-11 13:46 ` Qinkun Bao
2024-09-11 14:10 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 3:23 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-12 12:15 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-12 19:00 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13 12:55 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15 4:31 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-13 12:58 ` James Bottomley
2024-09-15 5:14 ` Xing, Cedric
2024-09-11 23:29 ` Dan Williams
2024-09-11 23:36 ` Dan Williams
2024-09-12 9:25 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-12 10:03 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2024-09-12 11:02 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2024-09-13 19:42 ` Xing, Cedric
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