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From: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [CRYPTO] obfuscating kernel pointers
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:39:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1289583581.2034.8.camel@dan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101112172727.GA26217@hmsreliant.think-freely.org>

Thanks for your response.

> > 
> Just use get_random_bytes, or initalize an instance of cprng with
> get_random_bytes.
> 

Will do.

> 
> Depends on your goal, if you just wnat to hide the pointers, why not just print
> NULL instead of the value?  If you want to maintain some level of uniqueness,
> just pull sizeof (void *) random bytes from whatever method above and add it to
> the pointer in question, and hope for the best.
> 

Unfortunately, neither of these sound like an option.  It's been
requested from the networking folks that any replacement value for the
socket addresses be a consistent unique identifier for object tracking
purposes.  The current plan is to expose the real address to privileged
readers, and expose a consistent obfuscated address that's only useful
for tracking to unprivileged readers.

> Honestly, though, I'm having trouble seeing the value of this.  What interface in proc
> are you seeing that exposes pointers from kernel space in any meaningful way?
> and if those cases exist, isn't selinux the solution to preventing exposure of
> these values to processes without sufficient privlidges?
> Neil
> 

Lots of packet families expose them...see, for
example, /proc/net/{tcp,udp,raw,unix}.  Since socket structures have
function pointers, they are an appealing target in the event of a kernel
memory write vulnerability.  The goal here is to make exploitation of
such issues more difficult, including for distros that don't use
SELinux.

Thanks,
Dan

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-12 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-12 13:32 [CRYPTO] obfuscating kernel pointers Dan Rosenberg
2010-11-12 17:27 ` Neil Horman
2010-11-12 17:39   ` Dan Rosenberg [this message]
2010-11-12 18:54     ` Neil Horman
2010-11-12 19:03       ` Dan Rosenberg
2010-11-15  8:43 ` Tomas Mraz
2010-11-15 11:21   ` Neil Horman
2010-11-15 11:58   ` Herbert Xu
2010-11-15 12:06     ` Tomas Mraz

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