linux-crypto.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@gnutls.org>
Cc: Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/6] /dev/random - a new approach
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:16:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1499137.D4Mft7n8bh@tauon.atsec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJU7zaL26c33wApqb=S_NCP9gTZPMGnQ+DACjEi6vnXfTq6XkA@mail.gmail.com>

Am Donnerstag, 21. April 2016, 15:03:37 schrieb Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos:

Hi Nikos,
> 
> [quote from pdf]
> 
> > ... DRBG is “minimally” seeded with 112^6 bits of entropy.
> > This is commonly achieved even before user space is initiated.
> 
> Unfortunately one of the issues of the /dev/urandom interface is the
> fact that it may start providing random numbers even before the
> seeding is complete. From the above quote, I understand that this
> issue is not addressed by the new interface. That's a serious
> limitation (of the current and inherited by the new implementation),
> since most/all newly deployed systems from "cloud" images generate
> keys using /dev/urandom (for sshd for example) on boot, and it is
> unknown to these applications whether they operate with uninitialized
> seed.

One more item to consider: If you do not want to change to use getrandom(2), 
the LRNG provides you with another means. You may use the 
/proc/sys/kernel/random/drbg_minimally_seeded or drbg_fully_seeded booleans. 
If you poll on those, you will obtain the indication whether the secondary 
DRBG feeding /dev/random is seeded with 112 bits (drbg_minimally_seeded or 256 
bits (drbg_fully_seeded).

Those two booleans are exported for exactly that purpose: allow user space to 
know about initial seeding status of the LRNG.

Ciao
Stephan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-21 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-21  9:11 [RFC][PATCH 0/6] /dev/random - a new approach Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:12 ` [PATCH 1/6] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:13 ` [PATCH 2/6] random: conditionally compile code depending on LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:13 ` [PATCH 3/6] crypto: Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] crypto: LRNG - enable compile Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] crypto: LRNG - hook LRNG into interrupt handler Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21  9:16 ` [PATCH 6/6] hyperv IRQ handler: trigger LRNG Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/6] /dev/random - a new approach Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2016-04-21 13:09   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-21 15:16   ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2016-04-25  7:55     ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2016-04-25  8:02       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-25  8:23         ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2016-04-26  1:11           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-03 13:57             ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2016-05-03 14:48               ` tytso
2016-05-03 16:20                 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2016-05-03 15:01               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-04-22  2:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-22  4:59   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-22 13:09   ` Sandy Harris
2016-04-24 15:21 ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-24 17:32   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-24 21:25     ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-25  5:12       ` Stephan Mueller

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1499137.D4Mft7n8bh@tauon.atsec.com \
    --to=smueller@chronox.de \
    --cc=herbert@gondor.apana.org.au \
    --cc=linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=nmav@gnutls.org \
    --cc=sandyinchina@gmail.com \
    --cc=tytso@mit.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).