From: "George Spelvin" <linux@horizon.com>
To: tytso@mit.edu
Cc: linux@horizon.com, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] random: introduce getrandom(2) system call
Date: 20 Jul 2014 12:26:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140720162622.29664.qmail@ns.horizon.com> (raw)
One basic question... why limit this to /dev/random?
If we're trying to avoid fd exhaustion attacks, wouldn't an "atomically
read a file into a buffer" system call (that could be used on
/dev/urandom, or /etc/hostname, or /proc/foo, or...) be more useful?
E.g.
ssize_t readat(int dirfd, char const *path, struct stat *st,
char *buf, size_t len, int flags);
It's basically equivalent to openat(), optional fstat() (if st is non-NULL),
read(), close(), but it doesn't allocate an fd number.
Is it necessary to have a system call just for entropy?
If you want a "urandom that blocks until seeded", you can always create
another device node for the purpose.
> The main argument I can see for putting in a limit is to encourage the
> "proper" use of the interface. In practice, anything larger than 128
> probably means the interface is getting misused, either due to a bug
> or some other kind of oversight.
Agreed. Even 1024 bits is excessive. 32 bytes is the "real" maximum
that people should be asking for with current primitives, so an interface
limitation to 64 is quite defensible. (But 128 isn't *wildly* excessive.)
If you do stick with a random-specific call, specifying the entropy
in bits (with some specified convention for the last fractional byte)
is anothet interesting idea. Perhaps too prone to bugs, though.
(People thinking it's bytes and producing low-entropy keys.)
next reply other threads:[~2014-07-20 16:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-20 16:26 George Spelvin [this message]
2014-07-20 17:03 ` [PATCH, RFC] random: introduce getrandom(2) system call George Spelvin
2014-07-20 21:32 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-21 11:21 ` George Spelvin
2014-07-21 15:27 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-22 1:02 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-22 4:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-22 9:49 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-22 22:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-23 9:47 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-23 11:52 ` George Spelvin
2014-07-23 12:10 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-30 12:50 ` Pavel Machek
2014-07-20 17:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-07-17 18:48 Mark Kettenis
2014-07-17 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-17 21:28 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 21:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-17 22:21 ` David Lang
2014-07-17 9:18 Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 10:57 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-17 12:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 13:15 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-07-17 12:09 ` Tobias Klauser
2014-07-17 12:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 16:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-07-17 17:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 17:05 ` Bob Beck
2014-07-17 17:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 17:45 ` Bob Beck
2014-07-17 17:46 ` Bob Beck
2014-07-17 17:57 ` Bob Beck
2014-07-17 22:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 19:56 ` Bob Beck
2014-07-21 0:25 ` Dwayne Litzenberger
2014-07-21 7:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-17 19:31 ` Greg KH
2014-07-17 19:33 ` Greg KH
2014-07-17 19:48 ` Zach Brown
[not found] ` <20140717194812.GC24196-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-17 20:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20140717205417.GT1491-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-17 21:39 ` Zach Brown
2014-07-17 20:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <53C8319A.8090108-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-17 21:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-18 16:36 ` Rolf Eike Beer
2014-07-20 15:50 ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-20 17:06 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-20 17:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-07-20 17:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-21 6:18 ` Dwayne Litzenberger
2014-07-23 8:42 ` Manuel Schölling
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