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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Andy Polyakov <appro@cryptogams.org>
Cc: Danny Tsen <dtsen@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	dtsen@us.ibm.com, nayna@linux.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ltcgcw@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	leitao@debian.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] crypto: X25519 core functions for ppc64le
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 14:28:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240516192806.GM19790@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <847f2e4f-ace1-415d-b129-ed2751429eec@cryptogams.org>

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 10:29:56AM +0200, Andy Polyakov wrote:
> >+static void cswap(fe51 p, fe51 q, unsigned int bit)
> 
> The "c" in cswap stands for "constant-time," and the problem is that 
> contemporary compilers have exhibited the ability to produce 
> non-constant-time machine code as result of compilation of the above 
> kind of technique.

This can happen with *any* comnpiler, on *any* platform.  In general,
you have to write machine code if you want to be sure what machine code
will eventually be executed.

>  The outcome is platform-specific and ironically some 
> of PPC code generators were observed to generate "most" 
> non-constant-time code. "Most" in sense that execution time variations 
> would be most easy to catch. One way to work around the problem, at 
> least for the time being, is to add 'asm volatile("" : "+r"(c))' after 
> you calculate 'c'. But there is no guarantee that the next compiler 
> version won't see through it, hence the permanent solution is to do it 
> in assembly. I can put together something...

Such tricks can help ameliorate the problem, sure.  But it is not a
solution ever.


Segher

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-16 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-14 17:38 [PATCH 0/3] crypto: X25519 supports for ppc64le Danny Tsen
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] crypto: X25519 low-level primitives " Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  8:11   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 12:59     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  9:06   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:04     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-16  4:53   ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-16  8:38     ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 11:39       ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-16 12:06       ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-16 13:42         ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 19:48         ` Segher Boessenkool
2024-05-16 11:38     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] crypto: X25519 core functions " Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  8:29   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:06     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-15 13:33     ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:58       ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-15 14:20         ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 19:28     ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] crypto: Update Kconfig and Makefile for ppc64le x25519 Danny Tsen

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