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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] tpm: Compare HMAC values in constant time
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:02:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250801030210.GA1495@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3ed1ae7e7f52afe53ce2ff00f362ed153b3eec20.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 10:28:49PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-07-31 at 14:52 -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > To prevent timing attacks, HMAC value comparison needs to be constant
> > time.  Replace the memcmp() with the correct function,
> > crypto_memneq().
> 
> Um, OK, I'm all for more security but how could there possibly be a
> timing attack in the hmac final comparison code?  All it's doing is
> seeing if the HMAC the TPM returns matches the calculated one.  Beyond
> this calculation, there's nothing secret about the HMAC key.

I'm not sure I understand your question.  Timing attacks on MAC
validation are a well-known issue that can allow a valid MAC to be
guessed without knowing the key.  Whether it's practical in this
particular case for some architecture+compiler+kconfig combination is
another question, but there's no reason not to use the constant-time
comparison function that solves this problem.

Is your claim that in this case the key is public, so the MAC really
just serves as a checksum (and thus the wrong primitive is being used)?

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-01  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-31 21:52 [PATCH 0/2] tpm: HMAC fix and cleanup Eric Biggers
2025-07-31 21:52 ` [PATCH 1/2] tpm: Compare HMAC values in constant time Eric Biggers
2025-08-01  2:28   ` James Bottomley
2025-08-01  3:02     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-08-01 11:36       ` James Bottomley
2025-08-01 17:11         ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-01 18:03           ` James Bottomley
2025-08-01 18:40             ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-01 18:53               ` James Bottomley
2025-08-01 19:03                 ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-01 19:20                   ` James Bottomley
2025-08-01 20:14                     ` Eric Biggers
2025-07-31 21:52 ` [PATCH 2/2] tpm: Use HMAC-SHA256 library instead of open-coded HMAC Eric Biggers

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