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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Ryan Appel <ryan.appel.333@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: Kernel ML-KEM implementation plans
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 18:11:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260331011133.GB5190@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7507DE2E-1507-4D03-B6EF-9C139BBF34F8@gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 07:44:55PM -0500, Ryan Appel wrote:
> WireGuard was my big implementation user.

Any more details on this?  Googling for research papers shows that there
have indeed been several proposals for quantum-resistant WireGuard.  But
some use algorithms other than ML-KEM.  Others don't modify the kernel
code but rather do the key establishment in userspace.  I haven't looked
into the details, but it also sounds like it's not as simple as swapping
out the algorithm, either.

I think step 1 is work out some plan with the WireGuard folks.  Which
may or may not turn out to involve in-kernel ML-KEM.

> I also know that VMware uses the kernel crypto space for many of its
> crypto operations.  I do not know when they will want ML-KEM and if
> they will want it only within BoringCrypto or OpenSSL, but if there is
> need for it in the market before it can be developed then that makes
> sense.

That code isn't upstream though, right?  So even if hypothetically they
(will?) need ML-KEM in the kernel (for what?), that doesn't count for
upstream purposes.

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-31  1:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-30 23:41 Kernel ML-KEM implementation plans Ryan Appel
2026-03-31  0:13 ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-31  0:44   ` Ryan Appel
2026-03-31  1:11     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2026-04-02 17:08       ` Ryan Appel
2026-04-06 18:27   ` Chris Leech

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