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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Paulo Alcantara <pc@manguebit.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@auristor.com>,
	hch@infradead.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Keyrings: How to make them more useful
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 21:36:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <473711.1749760578@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2dc7318d6c74b27a49b4c64b513f3da13d980473.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:

> One of the problems I keep tripping over is different special casing
> for user keyrings (which are real struct key structures) and system
> keyrings which are special values of the pointer in struct key *.

It's meant to be like that.  The trusted system keyrings are static within
system_keyring.c and not so easily accessible by kernel modules for
direct modification, bypassing the security checks.

Obviously this is merely a bit of obscurity and enforcement isn't possible
against kernel code that is determined to modify those keyrings or otherwise
interfere in the verification process.

> For examples of what this special handling does, just look at things
> like bpf_trace.c:bpf_lookup_{user|system}_key
> 
> Since the serial allocation code has a hard coded not less than 3
> (which looks for all the world like it was designed to mean the two
> system keyring id's were never used as user serial numbers)

That's just a coincidence.  The <3 thing predates the advent of those system
keyring magic pointers.

> I think we could simply allow the two system keyring ids to be passed into
> lookup_user_key() (which now might be a bit misnamed) and special case not
> freeing it in put_key().

If you want to make lookup_user_key() provide access to specific keyrings like
this, just use the next negative numbers - it's not like we're likely to run
out soon.

But I'd rather not let lookup_user_key() return pointers to these keyrings...

David


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-12 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-12 12:36 [RFC] Keyrings: How to make them more useful David Howells
2025-06-12 14:10 ` Benjamin Coddington
2025-06-12 18:27 ` James Bottomley
2025-06-12 20:36   ` David Howells [this message]
2025-06-13 15:40     ` James Bottomley
2025-06-16 20:30 ` Mimi Zohar
2025-06-17 13:54 ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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