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From: Jarod Wilson <jarod@redhat.com>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	"Venkatesh Pallipadi (Venki)" <venki@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.hengli.com.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Feed entropy pool via high-resolution clocksources
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:22:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF77CC4.2020309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DF77BBC.8090702@redhat.com>

Jarod Wilson wrote:
> Matt Mackall wrote:
>> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:06 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
>>> Many server systems are seriously lacking in sources of entropy,
>>> as we typically only feed the entropy pool by way of input layer
>>> events, a few NIC driver interrupts and disk activity. A non-busy
>>> server can easily become entropy-starved. We can mitigate this
>>> somewhat by periodically mixing in entropy data based on the
>>> delta between multiple high-resolution clocksource reads, per:
>>>
>>> https://www.osadl.org/Analysis-of-inherent-randomness-of-the-L.rtlws11-developers-okech.0.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, NIST already approves of similar implementations, so
>>> this should be usable in high-securtiy deployments requiring a
>>> fair chunk of available entropy data for frequent use of /dev/random.
>>
>> So, mixed feelings here:
>>
>> Yes: it's a great idea to regularly mix other data into the pool. More
>> samples are always better for RNG quality.
>>
>> Maybe: the current RNG is not really designed with high-bandwidth
>> entropy sources in mind, so this might introduce non-negligible overhead
>> in systems with, for instance, huge numbers of CPUs.
>
> The current implementation is opt-in, and single-threaded, so at least
> currently, I don't think there should be any significant issues.

I stand corrected. Hadn't considered the possible issues with doing a 
regular preempt_disable() and __get_cpu_var() on a system with tons of 
cpus. (I'm still not sure exactly what the issues would be, but I think 
I see the potential for issues of some sort.)

-- 
Jarod Wilson
jarod@redhat.com

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-14 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-13 22:06 [PATCH 0/5] Feed entropy pool via high-resolution clocksources Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:06 ` [PATCH 1/5] random: add new clocksource entropy interface Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:06 ` [PATCH 2/5] clocksource: add support for entropy-generation function Jarod Wilson
2011-06-17 20:52   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-06-17 21:19     ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:06 ` [PATCH 3/5] hpet: wire up entropy generation function Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:06 ` [PATCH 4/5] tsc: " Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:27   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2011-06-13 22:35     ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 22:36     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-13 23:10       ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 18:11         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-14  0:39       ` Kent Borg
2011-06-14  1:47         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-14 12:39           ` Kent Borg
2011-06-14 14:33             ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 17:48               ` Kent Borg
2011-06-14 18:00                 ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 20:04                   ` Kent Borg
2011-06-14 21:04                     ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 14:02           ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 23:55     ` Kent Borg
2011-06-17 20:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-06-13 22:06 ` [PATCH 5/5] misc: add clocksource-based entropy generation driver Jarod Wilson
2011-06-17 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-06-13 22:38 ` [PATCH 0/5] Feed entropy pool via high-resolution clocksources john stultz
2011-06-14 14:25   ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-13 23:15 ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 15:18   ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-14 15:22     ` Jarod Wilson [this message]
2011-06-14 17:13     ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 20:17       ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-14 21:45         ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-14 22:51           ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-14 23:12             ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-15 14:49               ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-15 20:06                 ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-17 18:51                   ` Jarod Wilson
2011-06-17 19:29                     ` Neil Horman
2011-06-17 20:46                       ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-17 19:48               ` hpas
2011-06-17 20:28                 ` Matt Mackall
2011-06-18 22:40                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-19 13:38                     ` Neil Horman
2011-06-19 15:07                       ` Herbert Xu
2011-06-20  0:01                         ` H. Peter Anvin

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