From: Jarod Wilson <jarod@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>,
Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>, Tomas Mraz <tmraz@redhat.com>,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
Herbert Xu <herbert.xu@redhat.com>,
Stephan Mueller <stephan.mueller@atsec.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] random: add blocking facility to urandom
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:56:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E6E0F90.4090905@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1109092241390.2723@ionos>
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Steve Grubb wrote:
>> But what I was trying to say is that we can't depend on these supplemental hardware
>> devices like TPM because we don't have access to the proprietary technical details
>> that would be necessary to supplement the analysis. And when it comes to TPM chips, I
>> bet each chip has different details and entropy sources and entropy estimations and
>> rates. Those details we can't get at, so we can't solve the problem by including that
>> hardware. That is the point I was trying to make. :)
>
> Well, there is enough prove out there that the hardware you're using
> is a perfect random number generator by itself.
>
> So stop complaining about not having access to TPM chips if you can
> create an entropy source just by (ab)using the inherent randomness of
> modern CPU architectures to refill your entropy pool on the fly when
> the need arises w/o imposing completely unintuitive thresholds and
> user visible API changes.
We started out going down that path:
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg05778.html
We hit a bit of a roadblock with it though.
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod@redhat.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-12 14:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-02 14:37 [PATCH] random: add blocking facility to urandom Jarod Wilson
2011-09-05 2:36 ` Sandy Harris
2011-09-06 14:09 ` Stephan Mueller
2011-09-07 17:38 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-07 18:12 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 18:26 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-07 19:05 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 19:30 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-07 20:00 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 19:35 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-07 19:27 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-09-07 19:36 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-08 2:43 ` Sandy Harris
2011-09-07 19:49 ` David Miller
2011-09-07 20:02 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 20:23 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 20:30 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 20:37 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 20:56 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 21:10 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 21:28 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 21:38 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 21:35 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-07 21:43 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 22:46 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2011-09-08 7:21 ` Sasha Levin
2011-09-07 23:57 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-08 6:41 ` Tomas Mraz
2011-09-08 12:52 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-08 13:11 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-08 13:49 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-09 2:21 ` Sandy Harris
2011-09-09 13:04 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-09 16:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-09-09 21:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-12 13:56 ` Jarod Wilson [this message]
2011-09-13 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-13 12:18 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-11 2:05 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-12 13:55 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-12 16:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-12 18:26 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-07 20:33 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-07 20:48 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-07 21:18 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-09-07 21:27 ` Stephan Mueller
2011-09-07 21:38 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-09-08 8:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-08 11:48 ` Steve Grubb
2011-09-08 16:13 ` David Miller
2011-09-09 19:08 ` Eric Paris
2011-09-09 19:12 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-08 8:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-07 21:20 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2011-09-08 8:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-12 14:02 ` Jarod Wilson
2011-09-12 14:58 ` Neil Horman
2011-09-12 17:06 ` Mark Brown
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