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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Erik Kline <ek@google.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>,
	Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>,
	YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <hideaki.yoshifuji@miraclelinux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1 2/3] ipv6: move from sha1 to blake2s in address calculation
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:18:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rvjfw3c.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9qLPxVSypcMECUjNeFz8qeUpeDe-LiXFoZTBYnGW9=ukQ@mail.gmail.com>

"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> writes:

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:50 PM Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > Then, at some point down the road, we can talk about removing
>> > CONFIG_NET_OBSOLETE_INSECURE_ADDRCONF_HASH too.
>> >
>>
>> What is the point of having CONFIG_OLD_N_CRUSTY if all distros are
>> going to enable it indefinitely?
>
> I think there's probably some combination of
> CONFIG_NET_OBSOLETE_INSECURE_ADDRCONF_HASH and CONFIG_OLD_N_CRUSTY and
> maybe even a CONFIG_GOD_MURDERS_KITTENS that might be sufficiently
> disincentivizing? Or this ties into other general ideas on a gradual
> obsolescence->removal flow for things.

Making it a compile-time switch doesn't really solve anything, though.
It'll need to be a runtime switch for people to be able to opt-in to the
new behaviour; otherwise there would still be a flag day when
distributions switch on the new config option.

I don't think there's any reason to offload this decision on
distributions either: there's clearly a "best option" here, absent any
backwards compatibility concerns. So it's on us to design a proper
transition mechanism. Defaulting to SHA1 when stable_secret is set, as
Ard suggested, sounds like a reasonable default; then we only need a
single new value for addr_gen_mode to opt-in to using blake2s even when
setting the stable_secret.

-Toke


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-13 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-12 13:12 [PATCH RFC v1 0/3] remove remaining users of SHA-1 Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 13:12 ` [PATCH RFC v1 1/3] bpf: move from sha1 to blake2s in tag calculation Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 22:56   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-01-13  1:33     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-01-13 12:27       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13 22:45         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-01-14  8:33           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 14:12           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-14 15:08             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-14 15:20               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-14 15:36                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 15:59                 ` David Laight
2022-01-14 16:19               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-01-14 16:34                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-14 23:04     ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-01-12 13:12 ` [PATCH RFC v1 2/3] ipv6: move from sha1 to blake2s in address calculation Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 15:49   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 23:05   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-01-12 23:31     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13 11:15       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2022-01-13 12:06         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-13 12:22           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13 12:29             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-13 13:30           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-01-13 13:40             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-13 13:45             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13 13:50               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-13 13:54                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13 16:18                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2022-01-14 16:07         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-14 16:57           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-01-14 17:41           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2022-01-14 17:58             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 13:12 ` [PATCH RFC v1 3/3] crypto: sha1_generic - import lib/sha1.c locally Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-12 18:50 ` [PATCH RFC v1 0/3] remove remaining users of SHA-1 David Sterba
2022-01-12 18:57   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-13  3:24 ` Sandy Harris
2022-01-13  8:08   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-01-13 17:28   ` Theodore Ts'o

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