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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v4 08/13] cifs: use get_random_u32 for 32-bit lock random
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:31:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9prHVM+faDB61hQUSa9crSQqmLysWmTakf=9WcUyWwq4A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170608002523.m3h3jin4poav5xy2@thunk.org>

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 2:25 AM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> There's a bigger problem here, which is that cifs_lock_secret is a
> 32-bit value which is being used to obscure flock->fl_owner before it
> is sent across the wire.  But flock->fl_owner is a pointer to the
> struct file *, so 64-bit architecture, the high 64-bits of a kernel
> pointer is being exposed to anyone using tcpdump.  (Oops, I'm showing
> my age; I guess all the cool kids are using Wireshark these days.)
>
> Worse, the obscuring is being done using XOR.  How an active attacker
> might be able to trivially reverse engineer the 32-bit "secret" is
> left as an exercise to the reader.  The bottom line is if the goal is
> to hide the memory location of a struct file from an attacker,
> cifs_lock_secret is about as useful as a TSA agent doing security
> theatre at an airport.  Which is to say, it makes the civilians feel
> good.  :-)

High five for taking the deep dive and actually reading how this all
works. Nice bug!

> Not waiting
> for the CRNG to be fully initialized is the *least* of its problems.

The kernel is vast and filled with tons of bugs of many sorts. On this
reasoning, maybe I should spend my time auditing web apps instead,
which are usually the "front door" of bugs? I like the puzzles of
random.c. I also had a real world need for wait_for_random_bytes() in
a module I'm writing.

But anyway, your general point is a really good one. Tons of callers
of the random functions are doing it wrong in one way or another.
Spending time looking at those is probably a good idea...

> Anyway, I'll include this commit in the dev branch of the random tree,
> since it's not going to make things worse.

Great, thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-08  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-06 17:47 [PATCH v4 00/13] Unseeded In-Kernel Randomness Fixes Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] random: invalidate batched entropy after crng init Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-07 23:58   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08  0:52     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] random: add synchronous API for the urandom pool Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  0:00   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] random: add get_random_{bytes,u32,u64,int,long,once}_wait family Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  0:05   ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] security/keys: ensure RNG is seeded before use Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  0:31   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08  0:50     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  1:03       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] crypto/rng: ensure that the RNG is ready before using Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  0:41   ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08  0:47     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] iscsi: ensure RNG is seeded before use Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  2:43   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08 12:09     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-16 21:58       ` Lee Duncan
2017-06-17  0:41         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-17  3:45           ` Lee Duncan
2017-06-17 14:23             ` Jeffrey Walton
     [not found]               ` <CAH8yC8nHX2r9cfQ0gNeJAUrgSfAS8V16dVHv35BRnLn-YprZCg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-17 18:50                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Paul Koning
2017-07-05  7:08                 ` Antw: Re: [kernel-hardening] " Ulrich Windl
2017-07-05 13:16                   ` Paul Koning
2017-07-05 17:34                     ` Antw: " Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-18  8:04             ` [kernel-hardening] " Stephan Müller
     [not found]               ` <2639082.PtrrGWOPPL-jJGQKZiSfeo1haGO/jJMPxvVK+yQ3ZXh@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-26  1:23                 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]                   ` <1498440189.26123.85.camel-XoQW25Eq2zviZyQQd+hFbcojREIfoBdhmpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-26 17:38                     ` Stephan Müller
2017-06-30  6:02                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]                       ` <1678474.GnYBdSlWgs-b2PLbiJbNv8ftSvlWXw0+g@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05  7:03                         ` Antw: " Ulrich Windl
2017-07-05 12:35                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] ceph: ensure RNG is seeded before using Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  2:45   ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] cifs: use get_random_u32 for 32-bit lock random Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  0:25   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08  0:31     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2017-06-08  0:34     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] rhashtable: use get_random_u32 for hash_rnd Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  2:47   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] net/neighbor: use get_random_u32 for 32-bit hash random Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  3:00   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] net/route: use get_random_int for random counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  3:01   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-06 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] bluetooth/smp: ensure RNG is properly seeded before ECDH use Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  3:06   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08  5:04     ` Marcel Holtmann
2017-06-08 12:03       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08 12:05       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08 17:05         ` Marcel Holtmann
2017-06-08 17:34           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-06 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] random: warn when kernel uses unseeded randomness Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  8:19   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-08 12:01     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-15 11:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Michael Ellerman
2017-06-15 11:59       ` Stephan Müller
2017-06-18 15:46         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-06-18 17:55           ` Stephan Müller
2017-06-18 19:12             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-18 19:11           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-08  8:43   ` Jeffrey Walton
2017-06-07 12:33 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Unseeded In-Kernel Randomness Fixes Jason A. Donenfeld

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