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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/17] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy()
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:22:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YmageFiSs0h1jzS7@zx2c4.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y1zt1gqw.ffs@tglx>

Hi Thomas,

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 02:37:11PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 23 2022 at 23:26, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> > The addition of random_get_entropy_fallback() provides access to
> > whichever time source has the highest frequency, which is useful for
> > gathering entropy on platforms without available cycle counters. It's
> > not necessarily as good as being able to quickly access a cycle counter
> > that the CPU has, but it's still something, even when it falls back to
> > being jiffies-based.
> >
> > In the event that a given arch does not define get_cycles(), falling
> > back to the get_cycles() default implementation that returns 0 is really
> > not the best we can do. Instead, at least calling
> > random_get_entropy_fallback() would be preferable, because that always
> > needs to return _something_, even falling back to jiffies eventually.
> > It's not as though random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision
> > or guaranteed to be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all
> > the time is better than returning zero all the time.
> >
> > Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> > Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> > Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
> > Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> 
> Not that I care much, but in general taking over authorship w/o
> attribution via Suggested-by or such is frowned upon.

Sorry about that. Usually I'm pretty good about adding those. I guess
something must have gotten lost this time through, as the v1 of this
started out using sched_clock() (Arnd's suggestion) and then moved to
using the raw ktime clock after your suggestion, and I missed the
Suggested-by. I'll add that. Meanwhile, do you want to Ack this patch?
Do the technical aspects look okay to you?

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-25 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-23 21:26 [PATCH v6 00/17] archs/random: fallback to best raw ktime when no cycle counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 01/17] ia64: define get_cycles macro for arch-override Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 02/17] s390: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25  9:43   ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-25  9:48     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 10:21       ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 03/17] parisc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24 18:35   ` Helge Deller
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 04/17] alpha: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26 20:31   ` Matt Turner
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 05/17] powerpc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-28  5:19   ` Michael Ellerman
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 06/17] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 12:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 13:22     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-05-02  9:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-05  0:19         ` [PATCH v7] timekeeping: Add " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-05  0:29           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-06  3:20           ` [timekeeping] 3aeaac747d: PANIC:early_exception kernel test robot
2022-05-06  7:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06 10:12               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-06 16:01                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06 10:21         ` [PATCH v8] timekeeping: Add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 07/17] m68k: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 08/17] riscv: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 14:55   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-04-25 15:02     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 15:20       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 09/17] mips: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of just c0 random Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26 20:28   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-27  1:29     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-24 13:04       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-24 13:25         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-09-25 10:00           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-25 14:17             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 10/17] arm: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 14:30   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 11/17] openrisc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-27 21:42   ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-27 23:26     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-29  0:16   ` [PATCH v7 11/17] openrisc: account for 0 starting value in random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30  1:19     ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-30  1:29       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30 22:11         ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-30 22:34           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30 22:44             ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 12/17] nios2: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-23 13:56   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 13/17] x86: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 12:35   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 13:41     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 13:51       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 17:03       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 17:24         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26  8:33           ` [PATCH v7 13/17] x86/asm: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02  9:40             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 14/17] um: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 15/17] sparc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 16/17] xtensa: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 17/17] random: insist on random_get_entropy() existing in order to simplify Jason A. Donenfeld

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