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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>
Cc: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Peter Gonda <pgonda@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com,  tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	bp@alien8.de,  dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,  x86@kernel.org, john.allen@amd.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, michael.roth@amd.com,  kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] x86/sev: Add SEV-SNP CipherTextHiding support
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 17:30:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z1eZmXmC9oZ5RyPc@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5b77d19d-3f34-46d7-b307-738643504cd5@amd.com>

On Fri, Dec 06, 2024, Ashish Kalra wrote:
> On 12/6/2024 4:30 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >> This can reuse the current support (in KVM) to do SEV INIT implicitly when
> >> the first SEV VM is run: sev_guest_init() -> sev_platform_init() 
> > 
> > I don't love the implicit behavior, but assuming hotloading firmware can't be done
> > after SEV_CMD_INIT{_EX}, that does seem like the least awful solution.
> > 
> > To summarize, if the above assumptions hold:
> > 
> >  1. Initialize SNP when kvm-amd.ko is loaded.
> >  2. Define CipherTextHiding and ASID params kvm-amd.ko.
> >  3. Initialize SEV+ at first use.
> 
> Yes, the above summary is correct except for (3).

Heh, that wasn't a statement of fast, it was a suggestion for a possible
implementation.

> The initial set of patches will initialize SNP and SEV both at kvm-amd.ko module load,
> similar to PSP module load/probe time.

Why?  If SEV+ is initialized at kvm-amd.ko load, doesn't that prevent firmware
hotloading?

> For backward compatibility, the PSP module parameter psp_init_on_probe will still be
> supported, i believe it is used for INIT_EX support.

Again, why?  If the only use of psp_init_on_probe is to _disable_ that behavior,
and we make the code never init-on-probe, then the param is unnecessary, no?

> > Just to triple check: that will allow firmware hotloading even if kvm-amd.ko is
> > built-in, correct?  I.e. doesn't requires deferring kvm-amd.ko load until after
> > firmware hotloading.
> 
> Yes, this should work, for supporting firmware hotloading, the PSP driver's
> psp_init_on_probe parameter will need to be set to false, which will ensure
> that SEV INIT is not done during SEV/SNP platform initialization at KVM module
> probe time and instead it will be done implicitly at first SEV/SEV-ES VM launch.

Please no.  I really, really don't want gunk like this in KVM:

	init_args.probe = false;
	ret = sev_platform_init(&init_args);

That's inscrutable without a verbose comment, and all kinds of ugly.  Why can't
we simply separate SNP initialization from SEV+ initialization?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-10  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-17 20:15 [PATCH v2 0/3] Add SEV-SNP CipherTextHiding feature support Ashish Kalra
2024-09-17 20:16 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] crypto: ccp: New bit-field definitions for SNP_PLATFORM_STATUS command Ashish Kalra
2024-10-01 21:40   ` Peter Gonda
2024-10-02 18:52   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-17 20:16 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] crypto: ccp: Add support for SNP_FEATURE_INFO command Ashish Kalra
2024-10-02 21:18   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-10-02 21:19     ` Tom Lendacky
2024-10-02 21:40       ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-10-02 21:49         ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-17 20:16 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] x86/sev: Add SEV-SNP CipherTextHiding support Ashish Kalra
2024-10-02 14:58   ` Peter Gonda
2024-10-02 18:44     ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-10-03 14:04       ` Peter Gonda
2024-10-03 22:09         ` Ashish Kalra
2024-10-11 16:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-20  3:14         ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-11-20 21:53           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-20 23:43             ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-11-21 14:57               ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-11-21 16:56                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-21 17:24                   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-11-21 17:42                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-21 21:00                       ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-12-06 22:30                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-07  5:21                           ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-12-10  1:30                             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-12-10 21:32                               ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-12-10 22:57                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-11  0:48                                   ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-12-11  1:01                                     ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-12-12  0:02                                       ` Kalra, Ashish
2024-10-02 21:46   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-10-02 21:52   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-10-11 16:10   ` Sean Christopherson

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