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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/18] vDSO: Introduce generic data storage
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2025 09:31:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff83dc5c91b4e46bcf2d99680ec6af250fb05b27.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250204-vdso-store-rng-v3-0-13a4669dfc8c@linutronix.de>

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On Tue, 2025-02-04 at 13:05 +0100, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> Currently each architecture defines the setup of the vDSO data page on
> its own, mostly through copy-and-paste from some other architecture.
> Extend the existing generic vDSO implementation to also provide generic
> data storage.
> This removes duplicated code and paves the way for further changes to
> the generic vDSO implementation without having to go through a lot of
> per-architecture changes.
> 
> Based on v6.14-rc1 and intended to be merged through the tip tree.

Thanks for working on this. Is there a plan to expose the time data
directly to userspace in a form which is usable *other* than by
function calls which get the value of the clock at a given moment?

For populating the vmclock device¹ we need to know the actual
relationship between the hardware counter (TSC, arch timer, etc.) and
real time in order to propagate that to the guest.

I see two options for doing this:

 1. Via userspace, exposing the vdso time data (and a notification when
    it changes?) and letting the userspace VMM populate the vmclock.
    This is complex for x86 because of TSC scaling; in fact userspace
    doesn't currently know the precise scaling from host to guest TSC
    so we'd have to be able to extract that from KVM.

 2. In kernel, asking KVM to populate the vmclock structure much like
    it does other pvclocks shared with the guest. KVM/x86 already uses
    pvclock_gtod_register_notifier() to hook changes; should we expand
    on that? The problem with that notifier is that it seems to be
    called far more frequently than I'd expect.



¹ https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/commit/3634039b93cc5

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-06  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-04 12:05 [PATCH v3 00/18] vDSO: Introduce generic data storage Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 01/18] x86/vdso: Fix latent bug in vclock_pages calculation Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 02/18] parisc: Remove unused symbol vdso_data Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 03/18] vdso: Introduce vdso/align.h Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 04/18] vdso: Rename included Makefile Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 05/18] vdso: Add generic time data storage Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 06/18] vdso: Add generic random " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 07/18] vdso: Add generic architecture-specific " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 08/18] arm64: vdso: Switch to generic storage implementation Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 09/18] riscv: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-22  8:17   ` Xi Ruoyao
2025-02-22 10:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 10/18] LoongArch: vDSO: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-22  8:20   ` Xi Ruoyao
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 11/18] arm: vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 12/18] s390/vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 13/18] MIPS: vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 14/18] powerpc/vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-05  8:50   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 15/18] x86/vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 16/18] x86/vdso/vdso2c: Remove page handling Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 17/18] vdso: Remove remnants of architecture-specific random state storage Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-04 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 18/18] vdso: Remove remnants of architecture-specific time storage Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-06  9:31 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2025-02-06 10:59   ` [PATCH v3 00/18] vDSO: Introduce generic data storage Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-07 10:15     ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-14 11:34   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-14 12:04     ` David Woodhouse

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