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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
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	Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2026 10:21:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4709b993-85aa-470f-a346-2c3ea36bc4d4@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260629033608-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 6/29/26 10:10, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2026 at 07:11:58PM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2026 at 05:45:22PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> This series fixes the race by:
>>>
>>> 1. Having memory_failure() call synchronize_rcu() + retry after
>>>    setting HWPoison, so that any in-flight non-atomic RMW that
>>>    read the old flags value completes before we proceed.
>>>
>>> 2. Wrapping all non-atomic page flag operations in
>>>    rcu_read_lock/rcu_read_unlock (CONFIG_MEMORY_FAILURE only),
>>>    so that synchronize_rcu() actually drains them.
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if your underlying performance assumptions 
>> -- an non contended atomic is cheaper than a rcu_read_lock/unlock --
>> are not true in various CPU/kernel configuration combinations.
>>
>> Modern CPUs have fast atomics when uncontended in normal circumstances.
>> But it probably doesn't matter much either way because the difference
>> shouldn't be very much.
> 
> 
> Hmm. It's a bit silly that I didn't try. Seemed clear to me, but,
> on this old xeon...
> 
>                                    insns/iter    cycles/iter
>      -------------------------------------------------------
>        base                       12238 +/- 1.0    17889 +/- 97.9
>        rcu_read_lock              12251 +/- 7.3    17991 +/-191.6
>        atomic ops                 12233 +/- 1.9    17733 +/-136.5
> 
> 
> The diff in the noise.
> 
> And old, slow CPUs maybe don't have MF at all.
> 
> So maybe just atomics instead of all this mess.

That would be much better.

What I was concerned about so far was that many distributions enable hwpoison
handling unconditionally (independent of any specific CPU!).

I recall running experiments on some not-so-dated hardware 2 years ago (when
optimizing out rmap atomics) where additional atomics really hurt, even in
uncontended cases.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  It seems very complicated for something that
>> could be much simpler.
>>
>> But I guess it's fine.
>>
>> -Andi
> 
> Indeed. David already said he's gonnu look at this himself, but he
If we can go that simple route (I'm not sure yet), your patch would be fine. I
can try finding someone to run more experiments on arm64 hardware.

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-29  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-28 21:45 [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-28 21:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: memory-failure: use RCU to fix HWPoison flag race Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-28 21:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: wrap non-atomic page flag ops in RCU for HWPoison safety Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops Andi Kleen
2026-06-29  8:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  8:21     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-29  8:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  6:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29  7:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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