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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	Ben Widawsky <bwidawsk@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jonathan Cameron" <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 1/6] cxl/mbox: Add GET_POISON_LIST mailbox command
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 11:34:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <64384b212236a_5f756294c2@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZDgyezzrVAxV/Kdx@aschofie-mobl2>

Alison Schofield wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 06:47:56PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > alison.schofield@ wrote:
> > > From: Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>
> > > 
> 
> follow up on the deprecate patch...
> 
> snip
> 
> > 
> > With this new interface I do not expect we want to support user tooling
> > that wants to retrieve the list via ioctl. So I think this wants a
> > lead-in patch that deprecates the poison command support so that the
> > linux-cxl community only has one mechanism to maintain going forward.
> > 
> > Something like the below as a lead-in, and then you would add code to
> > cxl_walk_cel() to set a flag for the "get poison" machinery.
> > 
> > -- >8 --
> > From f2cd1d1e09fe6f36255f3b8cd831b2b4903045d4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
> > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 17:48:45 -0700
> > Subject: [PATCH] cxl/mbox: Deprecate poison commands
> > 
> > The CXL subsystem is adding a formal mechanism for retrieving the poison
> > list. Minimize the maintenance burden going forward, and maximize the
> > investment in common tooling by deprecating direct user access to issue
> > this command outside of CXL_MEM_RAW_COMMANDS debug scenarios.
> 
> I'm expanding the scope of this deprecate patch to include Scan
> commands, and want to make above statement correct, wrt what is
> allowed in raw mode.
> 
> Today, Scan Media (& Results) are not allowed in raw.
> It seems like in the spirit of raw, we should allow the scans. That
> would be same as the raw allowed commands Get Poison, Inject & Clear.
> 
> Thoughts?

The goal of blocking commands even for raw access is for the kernel to
say "hey, there's a formal interface for this, use that instead". At the
same time there is the "raw_allow_all" mechanism for those debug
scenarios to opt-in and say "I really know what I am doing". I think the
raw_allow_all hurdle is high enough to prevent splintering of user
tooling and encourage collaboration on the commons.

So I would say feel free to continue to list commands in
cxl_disabled_raw_commands as a way to document the commands that we,
linux-cxl@ community, believe need to be kernel managed. Rely on
raw_allow_all as the release valve for expert debugging.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-10 20:55 [PATCH v12 0/6] CXL Poison List Retrieval & Tracing alison.schofield
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 1/6] cxl/mbox: Add GET_POISON_LIST mailbox command alison.schofield
2023-04-12  1:47   ` Dan Williams
2023-04-12  4:45     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-12  5:18       ` Dan Williams
2023-04-12 18:01         ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-12 19:16           ` Dan Williams
2023-04-12 18:06     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-13 16:48     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-13 18:34       ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-04-17 16:32     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-17 19:39       ` Dan Williams
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 2/6] cxl/trace: Add TRACE support for CXL media-error records alison.schofield
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 3/6] cxl/memdev: Add trigger_poison_list sysfs attribute alison.schofield
2023-04-12  5:37   ` Dan Williams
2023-04-12 18:32     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-12 19:34       ` Dan Williams
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 4/6] cxl/region: Provide region info to the cxl_poison trace event alison.schofield
2023-04-12  5:55   ` Dan Williams
2023-04-12 18:39     ` Alison Schofield
2023-04-12 22:09       ` Dan Williams
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 5/6] cxl/trace: Add an HPA to cxl_poison trace events alison.schofield
2023-04-10 20:55 ` [PATCH v12 6/6] tools/testing/cxl: Mock support for Get Poison List alison.schofield

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